tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post1696379491181737159..comments2024-01-14T15:52:43.644-05:00Comments on The Thirteenth Depository - A Wheel of Time Blog: The Gathering Storm Read-Through #33: Chapter 30 - Old AdviceDominichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17610557134981958201noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-7630754660312808772020-11-30T16:39:09.072-05:002020-11-30T16:39:09.072-05:00Roseheart, the Read Through was started by myself ...Roseheart, the Read Through was started by myself and DomA on a fan site called wotmania in 2008. It was great fun and we did the first 3 books chapter by chapter before it was announced that wotmania was going to close. (In fact, publisher TOR set up their own with a different essayist later that year when they saw how successful ours was). DomA and I set up this blog in 2009 but decided on a different format for our read-through due to the change in website type (blog versus message board). We went for looking at themes in each book instead. This was something other essayists weren't doing.<br /><br />I only reverted to chapter by chapter for the last 3 books because they were brand new material and not been discussed copiously elsewhere. Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14767984732078916662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-88756103651541126812020-11-30T15:04:57.064-05:002020-11-30T15:04:57.064-05:00Linda:
I have read the postings for the first 12 ...Linda:<br /><br />I have read the postings for the first 12 books but there is not a Chapter by Chapter Read Through for them. Only for the last three. If they are not available, I will understand and quit asking. Thank you for the work you have done. It brings more meaning to the books. <br /><br />I started reading them in August of last year and have read them over and over including twice listening and reading at the same time. I started on my kindle and now am reading the physical books.Rosehearthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10789342958933291616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-46874524997384931402020-11-20T16:20:21.505-05:002020-11-20T16:20:21.505-05:00Roseheart, there is a series of links under Wheel ...Roseheart, there is a series of links under Wheel of Time Reference Library in the top left of the blog pages. These are the Index links. The fifth link, Wheel Of Time Read-Through 2009-18 Index has the links to the read-through articles. <br /><br />Plus, further down the left panel there is also a List of Labels. These are tags that are attached to relevant articles. Each book's read through also has its tag listed there.<br /><br />I'm glad you are enjoying the articles.Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14767984732078916662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-41504408915240020462020-11-20T13:56:34.224-05:002020-11-20T13:56:34.224-05:00Linda: I would like to read the chapter Read Thro...Linda: I would like to read the chapter Read Through for the first 12 books. Would you let me know how to access them? I am new to the books and need help understanding them at a deeper level. I am reading your read-through of The Gathering Storm. It is very helpful.Rosehearthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10789342958933291616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-48938447254386624602011-07-23T07:54:47.489-04:002011-07-23T07:54:47.489-04:00Thanks all for your comments. Very interesting.
I...Thanks all for your comments. Very interesting.<br /><br />It could be that Gawyn was Compelled. But also that he is just plain reckless like his Arthurian parallel.Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14767984732078916662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-75422330765056084502011-07-19T22:05:31.762-04:002011-07-19T22:05:31.762-04:00This is a good article, I learn many things from t...This is a good article, I learn many things from this. Thankyou.sewa mobilhttp://griyamobilkita.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-84087326934610900462011-07-18T23:37:23.900-04:002011-07-18T23:37:23.900-04:00i dont think gawyn could have given away anything ...i dont think gawyn could have given away anything useful. he has never had any direct involvment with andoran politics and elayne seems like the type to play favs at tax time like her mother only those that aided her mother mostly rejected her until they thought they had no way out.<br />nothing he knows will still be relevant because elayne has admitted those that helped will be the only ones to get breaks during her rule but he wasnt there to see who helped and who joined up when it was that or die in a black cell. <br />andoran tradition was always to at least pretend to forget who didnt stand for the new queen but elayne has already had spies put into the house servants of every one that didnt instantly get behind herAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-42879378076861726792011-07-18T23:20:39.812-04:002011-07-18T23:20:39.812-04:00Got tired of strolling down to the bottom of a pre...Got tired of strolling down to the bottom of a previous post.<br />Petty forsaken. The more I think about this the more I don’t think its their fault that they ended up petty evil children. In the age of legends those chora trees were everywhere and they suppressed people emotions by making everyone feel good which is probably why they were created for large scale crowd control. No one had to ever grow up and control his or her emotions or deal with rejection properly as soon as they went outside after a crappy day everything was better no wonder half the world went nuts.<br /><br />Half the world are middle men or jealous of someone else but until Shai’Tan got free no one ever had to grow up but as his/her power spread the affects of the Chora trees and whatever else the Aes Sedai were using to control people began to lose there effect which fits with the descriptions of the decline. It also fits that the people at the top and the young fought for the light and most of the powerful but unsuccessful Aes Sedai turned against them they are 400 year old children with the power to level cities.<br /><br />Looking at it this way I almost feel bad for the forsaken they are like children frying ants because they never needed to learn different.<br />It explains Lanfear, Sammael and Demandred’s behavior after the bore was created and apart from a certain fembot sadist Rand knocked off recently these people could have become responsible members of society. The Aes Sedai got what they deserved and the Hall of Servants deserved to be destroyed for controlling people the way they did even if it had been happening so long no one remembers why they were doing it.<br /><br />Ok maybe I watched the Firefly movie yesterday and am on an anti government vent right now but the theory is sound all authority figures should be shot when they think they have the right to mess with peoples minds.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-34709941351627406932011-07-18T21:56:29.841-04:002011-07-18T21:56:29.841-04:00just thinking about the whole gawyn egwene respect...just thinking about the whole gawyn egwene respect problem. she the Amyrlin<br />the last 2 have messed with gawyns life on a massive scale asking him to love her and respect her position is a bit harsh after the crap he had to put up with from siuan risking his sister and elaida trying to kill him she is lucky he is willing to give her the time of day as long as she claims that stupid title.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-4499920135700467482011-07-18T21:30:36.696-04:002011-07-18T21:30:36.696-04:00TommyBoy52 shadow rising, the truth of a viewing h...TommyBoy52 shadow rising, the truth of a viewing hardback page 539.<br /><br />dazed blood masked face, half glazed eyes, tensed alomost to quivering and tired<br /><br />not the full description just the symptoms far to lazy to write out the full sentences.<br /><br />not saying in agree its about 50/50 shot you are right just not sure if its compulsion or post murder freak out of a NOOB to battle stressing out over killing friends and second guessing himself like a scared little boy.<br /><br /><br /><br />sorry just quoted taylor swift need to change the radio stationAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-90182705054623963692011-07-18T19:05:11.633-04:002011-07-18T19:05:11.633-04:00TommyBoy52, I never really considered that before,...TommyBoy52, I never really considered that before, but I think you may be right! That makes a lot of sense.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17006943271434386039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-55596978581837792582011-07-18T12:03:13.449-04:002011-07-18T12:03:13.449-04:00I trust beautiful women all the time it hasn’t got...I trust beautiful women all the time it hasn’t gotten me in trouble yet as I’m not arrogant enough to think they are going to jump into bed with me. I treat them the same as any other woman I’m friends with I just spend more time looking at them, ok sometimes I just watch their lips move but that’s natural and you just have to remember not to agree to anything while you are drooling.<br /><br />Gawyn is a moron but I think he respects Egwene just not her place as Amyrlin and why should he. The biggest problem between them is that Egwene see him from her political power not as an equal in the relationship. Egwene, Elayne and Morgase all made this mistake they couldn’t leave politics at the bedroom door and were the queen in the bedroom not a partner which is why Morgase always ended up alone until she had nothing. <br /><br />Gawyn may have become her warder but unless Egwene pulls her thumb out she will end up alone even if they both survive the last battle. Funny thing is the two women who have gotten this right are Siuan and Nynaeve and they started out as the most overbearing, arrogant and insufferable characters in the series but they have actually found a balance in their personnel lives and if everyone lives should be happy.<br /><br />Elayne doesn’t see Rand as her equal she just knows she doesn’t have the power to order him around, she is still playing games and making plans that will affect their possible future without asking him about any of them. Despite all his power she still expects him to fill the roll she thought her husband would have growing up to be her second and obey her. She is making arraignments with Aviendha but neither discuss anything with Rand and if he made it through the last battle I think he would leave both of them after a few years and have little contact with either apart from to see his children.<br /><br />Faile is like this as well only she might be more bearable as a friend I just would never date her, I liked her a lot when she was just friends with Perrin their relationship was like most of mine with girls. When they got together I wanted to strangle her playing games all the time isn’t a good way to keep a husband I’m surprised Perrin bothered to save her after the year he had.<br /><br />TommyBoy52 you may be right may be wrong but as to Gawyn’s glazed look had he killed before? It is never easy the first time and his was worse than most as he a just killed men he liked and respected, have a marine half way through boot camp to kill his drill sergeant and you might find Gawyn handled it better than most. Lots of people end up vomiting and shaky the first time at least just being glazed over allows you to still defend yourself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-170736086628731762011-07-18T08:44:07.445-04:002011-07-18T08:44:07.445-04:00One more thing, it was stated that the effort to r...One more thing, it was stated that the effort to rescue Siuan before she was stilled was going to succeed, that the loyal warders were going to win until Gawyn and the younglings stepped in on the side of Elaida.<br /><br />Think about Mesaana, seeing that the coup might have its own coup, knowing she cant reveal herself, sets up some impressionable young warders to do her bidding.TommyBoy52https://www.blogger.com/profile/16445878348309045269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-84093181353585848642011-07-18T08:42:04.584-04:002011-07-18T08:42:04.584-04:00I am telling you all, Gawyn was compulsed and mess...I am telling you all, Gawyn was compulsed and messed up when Siuan was deposed. <br /><br />The irrational thinking about althor sounds a lot like some forsaken saying to him "you will not help Althor, and you will do your best to kill him"<br /><br />Someone (not at home) look up the chapter where Min runs into Gawyn when they were trying to flee tar Valon with Siuan and co. He had a glazed look in his eyes. I forgot the exact description.<br /><br />It wasn't until Elayne reasoned with Gawyn in ToM that he finally broke through the compulsion.TommyBoy52https://www.blogger.com/profile/16445878348309045269noreply@blogger.com