tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post2263694818290596644..comments2024-01-14T15:52:43.644-05:00Comments on The Thirteenth Depository - A Wheel of Time Blog: Towers of Midnight Read-Through #23: Chapter 16 - Shanna'harDominichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17610557134981958201noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-12433647571112972122012-06-15T00:13:26.964-04:002012-06-15T00:13:26.964-04:00Yep, Faile's coming out party, and to a lesser...Yep, Faile's coming out party, and to a lesser degree, Perrin's as well, as it is the end of the Eeyore.<br /><br />I really liked this chapter.TrueCrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13647230788253070410noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-23411876302486278442012-06-14T20:09:24.244-04:002012-06-14T20:09:24.244-04:00Dressageboy: Yes, she had this annoying tendency t...Dressageboy: Yes, she had this annoying tendency to play the princess around him. This lasted longer than it should have due to the stupid competition she had going with Berelain. It was a reversal of two knights competing for a lady's favours in the Courtly Love trope. Poor Sir Perrin/Peregrin had two ladies jousting for him. (He still had to prove himself worthy though.) I've written more about Courtly Love and their characters in the Faile and Berelain essay.<br /><br />Re Faile insisting she will deal with Berelain: I was saving that until she actually does. What irritated me was that she didn't give him a chance to say something but cut him off. True it is her task to end what she and Berelain so stupidly began, but who knows what he was going to say on this issue? <br /><br />I agree that the sharing of his wolf guide was a sign they could have a truly close and sustaining relationship, but so was his acceptance of her silence on Rolan (even though his thoughts show that he got her motive wrong) and the way they made space for each other's egos on who would succeed in ending her captivity.Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14767984732078916662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-90092203960460545952012-06-14T16:08:20.016-04:002012-06-14T16:08:20.016-04:00Linda,
I think this is the first chapter where I ...Linda,<br /><br />I think this is the first chapter where I really liked Faile when she is in company with Perrin. Her behavior in the Shaido camp is acceptable and even exemplary but previously, when she was with her husband, I found her manipulative, scheming and duplicitous and frankly wondered if she were a DF plant playing a game as deep as Verin's. But here she truly stopped being an ass and grew into a woman/wife/confidant/partner, worthy of Perrin's trust and love.<br /><br />Perrin's growing acceptance of who and what he is within the pattern, is refreshing as well. He's finally realizing that nothing undermines those who have chosen to follow you more than your refusal to accept and shoulder that mantle. As he might say, he has a job of work to do and avoiding it won't change it.<br /><br />And on a side note. I will venture a guess that when next Faile sees Min, Min will tell her that she (Faile) carries Perrin's child.<br /><br />Just a couple of things, Linda. I understand the need for brevity, else these posts would be as long as the chapters themselves, however, two very important things are brought out in this chapter, (one of BS's best chapters in my opinion) the first and least of these is when Perrin acknowledges Berelain's part in keeping the camp together during Faile's captivity. Faile says, "I'll deal with Berelain, that's one duty you needn't distract yourself with."<br />"But---"<br />"I'll <i>deal</i> with her."<br />Foreshadowing another bit of deft writing -to come- on BS's part.<br /><br />Now we come to the more important matter, which you mentioned -in part- his sharing his 'burden' with her. <br /><br /><i>"He finished by speaking of Hopper. He wasn't certain why he'd saved the wolf for last; Hopper was part of much Perrin had told before--the Whitecloaks, the wolf dream. But if felt right to reserve Hopper until the end, so he did..."</i><br /><br />It's the sharing of Hopper that brought me to believe he and Faile could/would be a couple like Davram & Deira or Egwene's parents. <br /><br />Another excellent summary, Linda!<br /><br />Thanks<br /><br />DressageboyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com