tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post3831451031848333668..comments2024-01-14T15:52:43.644-05:00Comments on The Thirteenth Depository - A Wheel of Time Blog: The Black AjahDominichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17610557134981958201noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-6326658815021630302020-05-14T09:40:50.819-04:002020-05-14T09:40:50.819-04:00"I'm not sure that last comment is fool p..."I'm not sure that last comment is fool proof when it comes to the Oaths. We've seen many times that individuals find ways around the Oaths. If the person who has been Bound doesn't believe what they are doing is "using the OP as a weapon" they should be able to do it.<br /><br />Hypothetical Aes Sedai, who is under the Oaths, could potentially use the Power to stop the heart of an individual who is up for execution if she can convince herself that using the OP in this way is not using it as a weapon, it's being used as a tool to enforce the Law. This isn't terribly different than the sever beating Elaida gave Egwene, she was censured for doing it, likely because she broke the rules on using the OP against an Initiate, but she was also riding a very fine line on the Oath against using the OP as a weapon."<br /><br />Elaida still had to convince herself that Egwene was a Darkfriend first. Remember, she later defended that view in the trial against Egwene. This was one proof actually that Elaida was not Black Ajah before the list of their names was revealed. If she didn't believe Egwene was a Darkfriend and traitor and play-pretend Amyrlin, she wouldn't have been able to beat her using the One Power. The Tower Law states that there are severe punishments for women pretending to be Aes Sedai. I mean, we know Elaida is crazeh to think this but in fact she was doing what she believed was right.<br /><br />We know of cases that Aes Sedai was able to tell a lie which she believed was truth. I.e. no breaking the first Oath in that. One could ask why and if for example the same were possible with the Second Oath? What if someone tested a ter-angreal they didn't know the use of and that resulted directly in someone's death who is not a Darkfriend? That could be an extreme case. We know of one case at least when somebody tested a ter-angreal they didn't know the use of which resulted in giving headache to everyone in a wide area. They didn't do it purposefully but it gave direct damage the same way a weapon would.<br /><br />So... my point is: not entirely impossible, but a RARE case to break the Second/Third Oath, no?belugakidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-14612795950641638812020-04-27T01:25:03.694-04:002020-04-27T01:25:03.694-04:00With Semirhage we know that she "justified&qu...With Semirhage we know that she "justified" it to herself that "people would die anyway without me so I can torture them as much as I want", i.e. "it wouldn't... count... as evil". I.e. she had an innate personality disorder which she couldn't control that made her torture her victims. (poor thing, right). She never saw her experiments for what they really were initially - evil.<br /><br />With Therava we know she openly believes she is doing her victims good.<br /><br />Question about torturers comes from the list of reasons why an Aes Sedai from any age and strength group would join the Black Ajah. We have an entire Ajah already filled largely with women who "have a strong distaste for men". This is a different reason in a person's personality which would make them follow a certain philosophy in using the One Power. Since Ajah's are shaped mainly by a differing leading philosophy in using the One Power to serve the world and... do good and the Black Ajah is not really following a philosophy but simply "preparing for the Great Lord's return" and "doing anything in service of the Great Lord" we could conclude that Semirhage's and Temaile's case (that of a personality flow they cannot control) could well be at least the third ranking reason why sisters join the Black Ajah. Therava (and the Children of Light) are following a philosophy in using the One Power/their social status, while Semirhage and Temaile are not.<br /><br />Explained otherwise, we know of a group of channelers gathered together by a personality trait ("strong distaste for men"). Why would not channelers gather pushed by a personality flow?<br /><br />As for using the Power as a weapon, yes, I should have guessed that since we know from Moiraine in New Spring that she saw her holding a person with the Power while they were shot with a bow (and not the Power) that she felt she was very close to breaking the Second Oath even though she wasn't expecting Caniedrin to be shot when she held him... then there isn't really any "wiggle room" with the Second and Third Oath in stopping someone's heart.belugakidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-15506697188434499182020-03-08T13:24:58.970-04:002020-03-08T13:24:58.970-04:00I'm not sure that last comment is fool proof w...I'm not sure that last comment is fool proof when it comes to the Oaths. We've seen many times that individuals find ways around the Oaths. If the person who has been Bound doesn't believe what they are doing is "using the OP as a weapon" they should be able to do it. <br /><br />Hypothetical Aes Sedai, who is under the Oaths, could potentially use the Power to stop the heart of an individual who is up for execution if she can convince herself that using the OP in this way is not using it as a weapon, it's being used as a tool to enforce the Law. This isn't terribly different than the sever beating Elaida gave Egwene, she was censured for doing it, likely because she broke the rules on using the OP against an Initiate, but she was also riding a very fine line on the Oath against using the OP as a weapon.JDH1973https://www.blogger.com/profile/16494965142927122611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-78562738157763823552020-01-21T06:09:24.341-05:002020-01-21T06:09:24.341-05:00There are sadists among the Shadow certainly. But ...There are sadists among the Shadow certainly. But also the odd one among the Light. Therava was one of those.<br /><br />The One Power can't be used as a weapon, only as punishment. If the channeller saw their use of the power as the sort of damage a weapon does, then they couldn't channel that if under the Three Oaths.<br /><br />Stopping someone's heart with the Power kills them. So it can't be done under the Three Oaths unless to Shadowspawn or Darkfriends as per the wording of the Oath. However, they could stab someone with a knife, killing them without channelling.Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14767984732078916662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-11809783946413855242020-01-09T11:40:47.023-05:002020-01-09T11:40:47.023-05:00Hi. Do you take the fact that some Aes Sedai join ...Hi. Do you take the fact that some Aes Sedai join the Black out of their sadistic personalities that they wouldn't otherwise be able to express? We know of Temaile enjoying inflicting pain in others with the One Power and we know of Semirhage joining the Shadow for that exact reason when she was threatened to be severed for torturing people who she had healed. There must be at least some percentage of sadisitic personality traits among Aes Sedai who join the Black Ajah.<br /><br />Olso, do you think that the Three Oaths would hold against inflicting pain in people? The same way that Semirhage did during the Age of Legends. There's no Oath against torture - especially that some weaves would not kill a person but still cause them to experience agony. An Aes Sedai would risk being uncovered and when asked she technically wouldn't be able to lie due to the Oath against lying. But would she be able to hide if the people she tortured never revealed themselves? Would she be able to hide it in a way? My main question is: apparently a woman in the Third Age who actually wants to be able to hurt people would join the Black Ajah BUT is Semirhage's scenario possible i.e. being a torturer for a certain time even though technically not aligned with the Shadow?<br /><br />Also, have you any thoughts on whether the Three Oaths would hold against killing? I.e. a woman should be able to circumvent those when using a weave which directly stops someone's heart. Could that be considered using the One Power as a weapon? Siuan and Cadsuane discovered that "it's very easy to stop someone's heart with the Power". We know of Cadsuane's words that "there's no difference between that and burning someone with fire" (AMoL). But otherwise? Is it just Cadsuane being practical and sensible with using the One Power? Do you think ALL Aes Sedai would consider that "using the One Power as a weapon"? I.e. do they all think that if a weave kills a person then that's using the Power as a weapon?belugakidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17687333679338563130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-80759667135275037282019-01-04T06:13:54.776-05:002019-01-04T06:13:54.776-05:00In Jordan's notes he says that Javindhra was a...In Jordan's notes he says that Javindhra was angry about Elaida's punishment of Teslyn and wanted her to fail because of that; but was afraid of Elaida in case she punished Javindhra. This article will be updated with such information in due course.Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14767984732078916662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-18161072991295006502018-07-05T08:51:54.774-04:002018-07-05T08:51:54.774-04:00re Javindhra,
it's interesting that the WOT C...re Javindhra,<br /><br />it's interesting that the WOT Companion exonerates her, by saying she was merely Turned to the Shadow at the Black Tower.<br /><br />Yet, this does not explain her weird behavior when Pevara wanted to escape. Javindhra didn't act like the Turned Tarna Feir did, so we know she was not. <br /><br />Maybe being insubordinate to Pevara was just her acting stupid.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-85401731847646693752011-12-20T03:56:25.065-05:002011-12-20T03:56:25.065-05:00RE Delana:
'- Voted for declaring war on Ela...RE Delana: <br /><br />'- Voted for declaring war on Elaida, and felt sickened doing so, so she was ordered to by Halima.<br />- Was the last to stand in favour of agreement with Black Tower, and must have been ordered to do so by Halima, since she was reluctant.'<br /><br />Perhaps, conversely, these votes were against Halima/ Arangar's orders and Delana only voted to avoid arousing suspicion but was afraid of Halima's punishment.<br /><br />Nacelle is described as one of the few (three?) surviving Malkieri Sisters, the others having died trying to avenge the destruction of Malkier. Does this imply that the other surviving Malkieri Sisters are likely Black as well?<br /><br />RE Black Oaths: As anyone trying to question Black AS without removing their oaths found out, they only couldn't divulge any identities, plans or schemes that were current/ relevant, but didn't have a problem talking about things that had happened in the past or were no longer relevant. I don't think a Black would have a problem identifying a long-dead Black; eg a Black can say, 'Merean Redhill was Black Ajah', or 'Black Ajah poisoned Artur Hawkwing's wife' unless she believes it has an impact on the present BA plans or endangers current BA in some way. I'm not sure if this is included in the oaths mentioned by Verin or the stipulation of the third oath. In TDR, Amico's oaths were removed when she was stilled while Joiya's were still in place, so Amico's information was probably more reliable unless Joiya believed the plan discarded.<br /><br />RE Anonymous 'Why did Falion and Marillin get to live while Temaile and Eldrith died?...' Could be opportunistic actions by Hanlon and Lounault, or could be that they were too afraid of Temaile and Eldrith to let them live, but felt they could 'manage' Falion and Marillin.<br /><br />RE cesare and leylacatherine's why Egwene didn't give Elayne the Black list. Two better reasons than Egwene being an 'arrogant twat':<br />1) A matter of priorities: the Last Battle is coming, and there's already too much to do and not enough time. Egwene would want to destroy the *bulk* of the Black Ajah, but she'll put off hunting down every individual Black until more important matters (Tarmon Gaidon, anyone?) are dealt with.<br />2) Elayne, along with most of the Andoran army, has left Andor to meet with Rand, and from there, presumably, to Tarmon Gaidon. She's in no position to hunt Blacks in Andor at this time.Vickinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-1898688843257598172011-03-24T05:44:39.234-04:002011-03-24T05:44:39.234-04:00Kim: Because never have we seen anyone under Compu...Kim: Because never have we seen anyone under Compulsion have dead eyes, or a feeling of extreme wrongness, or Shadowyness. The Shadow's Influence on the Black Tower article discusses this issue fully.Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14767984732078916662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-40949115007306228062011-03-21T19:39:30.465-04:002011-03-21T19:39:30.465-04:00Can I ask how we know that it was a 13x13 turning ...Can I ask how we know that it was a 13x13 turning that happened to the Asha'Man and Tower Aes Sedai at the BT, and not simple compulsion?<br /><br />It refers to their blank eyes or something but when I read that I thought simply compulsion - how do we know it's a 13x13 turning instead?Kimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15302236211719859378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-23614638520422910002011-03-07T02:40:56.247-05:002011-03-07T02:40:56.247-05:00cesare:
Egwene probably did not give Elayne the Bl...cesare:<br />Egwene probably did not give Elayne the Black list for the same reason she does all the other crap she does: she's an arrogant twat who needs about 20 years of "seasoning" to finally be wise enough for her position. Even though she's done some great things (to my mind, frankly, impossible in a real world such as ours, only possible in a true fantasy) at the bottom of it all, from the start RJ has portrayed her as incredibly stubborn and a know-it-all. <br /><br />Hehe, sorry, I'm having a real "hate Egwene" moment here aren't I...but Linda, this article is brilliant, as they all are.leylacatherinenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-82722882914103507882010-11-18T09:20:05.942-05:002010-11-18T09:20:05.942-05:00I think also that compulsion is less visible and e...I think also that compulsion is less visible and equally effective that 13+13 conversion, so why use one instead of the other?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16407519054155410661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-64325448010761330752010-11-18T09:13:37.669-05:002010-11-18T09:13:37.669-05:00I'm surprised that Egwene did not give to Elay...I'm surprised that Egwene did not give to Elayne the Black list, so she can arrest any Black Sister that is or arrives in her kingdom (and among them Duhara).. in fact by the end of the book it is clear that now the communications between the W.Tower and Caemlyn are frequentUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16407519054155410661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-14184474988932888582010-11-13T15:27:03.655-05:002010-11-13T15:27:03.655-05:00Reading my Weaves and Talents article again, a mix...Reading my Weaves and Talents article again, a mixed circle definitely can't bring a woman into it, and the circle of women forcing snother woman into it must be 'large', but less than 13 (LOC and ACOS Glossaries).Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14767984732078916662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-13499564523580252462010-11-13T15:24:10.983-05:002010-11-13T15:24:10.983-05:00Anons: That sentence is largely unchanged from wha...Anons: That sentence is largely unchanged from what I had in the article before TOM. Obviously no one took any notice of it before. :)<br /><br />Turning people to the Shadow will be discussed more fully in the Weaves and Talents article (still to be updated).<br /><br />We know that a <b>circle</b> of women can forcibly bring a woman into it, but a mixed circle may not be able to. Nor could one woman forcibly link with another woman (except using an a'dam).Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14767984732078916662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-57059616322672463982010-11-13T14:11:13.971-05:002010-11-13T14:11:13.971-05:00You might want to consider explaining the 13x13 ma...You might want to consider explaining the 13x13 matter in full in the article.<br /><br />I find what you said clear enough, but I came here because some people in a thread argued you claimed a turning must be done with exactly 7 women and 6 men rk, and I was wondering what new bit of info had missed in TOM that stated that. It turns out you never wrote any such thing, but some people seem confused by the way you put it.<br /><br />You might want to state it more plainly: turnings at the BT means that Taim must have a minimum of seven women he can use, because it's the minimal number of women in any mixed gender circle of thirteen. Of course, he could also use anywhere from 7 to 13 per circle. <br /><br />Though it's unlikely, they don't even have to be DF/BA. The BA can force any woman into a circle. For all we know, Taim may have performed the first turning with a single BA and six prisoners, and enough dreadlords from his forces to immobilize these women. <br /><br />On a side note, I think we know now why Mesaana was boasting more and more joined the Shadow each day, implying it wasn't all of them who wished it...<br /><br />The clues are all there in TOM that Taim's faction at the BT is a ( perhaps small) portion of a much larger army of Dreadlords. Demandred left him enough men to perform his mission, but not enough to alarm Rand unduly (though it came close with Logain...) <br /><br />With the attack on Caemlyn, the plan is becoming clearer and clearer. Demandred is gathering his forces, and about to move them to their new southern headquarters, and probably all of them will have its massive Shadowspawn army, using the city as fortified corals, and the people as food supplies, all with Waygates and some with Portal Stones. Tear, Illian, Cairhien, maybe Rhuidean will all fall or be attacked in the initial assault (the timing of which will be in synch with the breaking of the seals, thanks to Mesaana or others who could forewarn Moridin). My feeling is that the Light's best hope will be to repel the invasion from the Ways at Tar Valon, the other cities will likely fall.<br /><br />The Ogier Elders who've refused to destroy the Waygates and only put guards on them will have a lot to answer for... and Loial will have a very good argument to convince them it's their duty to stay. It's also a bit obvious now, if the Shadow gains a series of bases with Waygates, that the main purpose of the Ogier wil be to enter the Ways and track and kill the moving armies of the Shadow. Only the Ogier can guide humans in there. <br /><br />The attack on Caemlyn, while Elayne is gone, also has a very ominous possibility: there appears to be a second Waymaking ter'angreal in Elayne's stash. If the whole thing falls into Demandred's hands...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-87414788209664720922010-11-13T13:36:21.987-05:002010-11-13T13:36:21.987-05:00While correct, your sentence about the circle of 1...While correct, your sentence about the circle of 13 is ambiguous, and has caused some debate in a discussion. Some thought the seven women was something specific to a turning and wondered where you found that exactly seven women must be involved (which, I know, wasn't what you meant).<br /><br />You should probably be more explicit and state in full that Taim must have a minimum of seven women per circle of 13 he uses to turn channellers, because it's the <i>minimum</i> number of women required in any mixed gender circle of thirteen.<br /><br />I guess we might have our explanation why Mesaana boasted that more and more joined the Shadow's side each day, implying that for some it was against their will. We also forgot that for someone like Mesaana, Aes Sedai are indifferently male or female.<br /><br />It sounds like Verin and Egwene have doomed the embassies. It sounds like the Shadow is waiting the last minute because it still fears the WT will come asking for their women before the night of the long knives has taken place, and TG has started. <br /><br />I'm guessing this is the reason why Pevara hasn't been touched, especially if Javindrah is BA. The Shadow has kept one "clean" ambassador, to show to whoever is coming from the WT for them. I'm guessing it is keeping the rebel embassy "clean" as well, or most of them. Now that the dreamspike is in place, and alas Nynaeve can report the women are quite well and safe, the Shadow must be about to move. I'm guessing the mass turnings have already taken place whn the attack on Caemlyn is launched. <br /><br />The big question is whether Jordan waited with Pevara because he intended her and that Ash'aman to escape at the last minute and get perhaps to Rand's meeting with devasting news... or because he wanted a beloved sympathetic character as witness, and victim, of the "night of the long knives", when Demandred orders Taim to finish the clean up before he can come to take possession of his dreamspike protected headquarter for the LB, with the rest of his army of dreadlords (and whatever else) who were trained outside the BT and don't even pretend to be Asha'man. Moridin holds the north, Demanded is coming for Rand's territories.<br /><br />Demandred probably wants Caemlyn to use it as a fortified coral for the biggest Shadowspawn army south of the Blight, with access to a protected Waygate. The revelation about the Portal Stones is ominous.. and may well be an important clue. I think Demandred intends to capture Cairhien, Tear, Caemlyn, Illian, Falme and Rhuidean in the initial strike.<br /><br />The Ogier and their misplaced sentimentality about the (long useless) Waygates near stedding will have a lot to answer for... Loial might not have such a hard time convincing them they must stay, and atone for the mess they've made. And they're the only ones who can now enter the Ways without getting lost. They'll be badly needed if the Shadow gains a network of bases of operations and staging grounds in the South.<br /><br />This also seems to fit with the Aelfinn stuff. It would be obvious why Rand needed to make the world as one, literally bring most of the forces of the Light in one spot. Had he not called this meeting, his scattered forces might have been wiped out early.<br /><br />The first part about south-west (Seanchan lands, now mobilizing as one to strike at TV) and east-north (between Egwene and Elayne, they all come north in one spot) is done, now remains the crucial point of making "the two as one".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-39304985910875972442010-11-12T18:04:50.824-05:002010-11-12T18:04:50.824-05:00Why did Falion and Marillin get to live while Tema...Why did Falion and Marillin get to live while Temaile and Eldrith died? Those two were probably the most interesting of the original 13 Blacks. Temaile because she was a torturer and Eldrith because she was intelligent. Falion and Marillin are mud.<br /><br />Too bad about Tarna..But at least Pevara may survive.<br /><br />I'm so glad Alviarin survived.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-51234325944110568502010-11-12T15:25:37.534-05:002010-11-12T15:25:37.534-05:00Thanks Voscaia. Fixed it.
Grig: We were told abou...Thanks Voscaia. Fixed it.<br /><br />Grig: We were told about Duhara in The Gathering Storm, A Visit from Verin Sedai.<br /><br />The BWB says that Semirhage "discovered that a circle of thirteen, using thirteen Myrddraal as a sort of filter" could turn any channeller to the Shadow.<br /><br />Anon: I agree with your comments about Adrielle. She may have been done in the same session.Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14767984732078916662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-5080426929894542032010-11-12T15:03:50.925-05:002010-11-12T15:03:50.925-05:00It will be interesting to see if Adrielle is menti...It will be interesting to see if Adrielle is mentioned again (the Grey sister bonded to Kurin). It would seem likely that she has either been turned herself already or is next on the list now that Kurin has been turned. If not, she or another sister in a similar position might be able to explain more about the visible changes (eyes, etc) actually mean to Pevara and Androl by the change in the bond - though the bond could be used to prevent her doing that, too, I suppose.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-15674454891823785322010-11-12T11:59:45.884-05:002010-11-12T11:59:45.884-05:00Might be a dumb question, but how do we know that ...Might be a dumb question, but how do we know that Duhara is black? I don't recall that.<br /><br />Also, something that I've been wondering about the 13x13 trick. Why do we assume the 13 people need to be in a circle (which is where the male/female requirements come in)? Was this something that came out in an interview? In TDR, all it says is:<br /><br />"It took thirteen Dreadlords--Darkfriends who could channel--weaving the flows through thirteen Myrddraal."<br /><br />It doesn't actually mention them being linked. I must admit that my picture of it was 13 of them channeling, each one filtering their weaves through one Myrddraal (if only because of how the numbers are identical). This would also have the nice effect of making it so you can't simply force (or trick) Light-siders into a circle where they will be party to turning someone against their will, as well as removing the arbitrary need for x number of male or female Dreadlords.Grignoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-8907897730383729412010-11-12T10:37:52.327-05:002010-11-12T10:37:52.327-05:00There's a small error: Evanellein is killed by...There's a small error: Evanellein is killed by Egwene in the beginning of <i>Wounds</i>Voscaia Sedainoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-61580401868625064072010-05-24T12:14:37.184-04:002010-05-24T12:14:37.184-04:00Because there's a faction in the Shadow who, f...Because there's a faction in the Shadow who, faced with the fact saidin was cleansed and Rand's efforts might bring a genuine alliance soon (remember, they had spies near him), wanted to take back control of events, get rid of Aran'gar (recently revealed openly to the Forsaken as being with the rebels) and the Rebels to go try to form an alliance with Mazrim Taim, who will do what he has to do to make sure any further idea of alliance is out of the question, and who gave orders like this to BA like Nacelle, while Aran'gar was giving conflicting orders about this "alliance" to her pawns Sheriam and Delana. <br /><br />Based on the motive, that "faction" has to include Mesaana, probably Demandred as well unless Mesaana got herself pawns among the Asha'man. Nacelle's weave was rather obviously a nasty double-cross by Mesaana. It made Aran'gar's stay with the Rebels extremely risky - she couldn't channel safely anymore, because the whole camp was freaking out about the murders.<br />Do you think Aran'gar was as stupid as murdering Anayia and Karen with saidin and leave the bodies behind for the AS to inverstigate? She was far more clever and cautious than this previously. She would have murdered a few random sisters too to confuse things, and leave no body or residues behind. That's not her who killed Anayia and Kairen, it's also something the "trio" organized. Semirhage knew all there was to know about Cabriana. Mesaana had the agents in place in the rebel camp to warn her about opportunities. Demandred had the means to kill that would incriminate Aran'gar (him, or any pawn of the trio at the BT). <br /><br />-Theo-Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-51400092667391562722010-05-24T11:19:01.060-04:002010-05-24T11:19:01.060-04:00Why did Nacelle display her new weave to the hall ...Why did Nacelle display her new weave to the hall if she was black?<br />Odd.<br /><br />Rurouni_KenshinAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-523214357340057182010-01-09T20:22:10.623-05:002010-01-09T20:22:10.623-05:00:) They probably got 20-25 but I was going for cer...:) They probably got 20-25 but I was going for certainty in the article. <br /><br />Not that long ago, people on Wotmania argued strongly that no way were there more than a hundred Black Ajah...though how that could justify a council of 13 I don't know.Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14767984732078916662noreply@blogger.com