tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post452679278303847684..comments2024-01-14T15:52:43.644-05:00Comments on The Thirteenth Depository - A Wheel of Time Blog: Weaves and TalentsDominichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17610557134981958201noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-22790573648187268082024-01-07T09:03:55.875-05:002024-01-07T09:03:55.875-05:00I noticed, that you mentioned Hildegard von Bingen...I noticed, that you mentioned Hildegard von Bingen in relation to Min, but I think that there is more important thing here. To quote certain paper:"It is interesting though that Jordan seems to support the classification of elements into male and female according to the ideas of Hildegard von Bingen. She also argues that Earth, usually attributed to females, and Fire are male elements, while Air and Water are female ones. Von Bingen supports her arguing with the use of biblical sources. She emphasizes that Adam was made of clay and therefore Earth has to be a male attribute, as opposed to Eve who was not made of clay but rather made of Adam’s rib. She is airier and lighter, more artistic than Adam and thus the element of Air is attributed to females (cf. Meyer,1999: 61-62). Let’s take this connection further, if Jordan uses Hildegard von Bingen’s distribution of male and female elements, he may also share her opinion on a hierarchy between men and women. In her opinion, women are not the weak sex, but they incorporate a softer variation of strength. His masculine strength must be regulated by her gentle touch, otherwise his strength would develop into savagery. Hildegard von Bingen does not differentiate between the abilities of men and women, but she emphasizes the dependency of the sexes on each<br />other. Women were not created for men, they both were created for each other"<br /><br />So I suspect, either there is more sources of the One Power, than Taoism, or...?Tk421https://www.blogger.com/profile/06645840837262580080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-85858959451231809742023-02-09T11:56:18.001-05:002023-02-09T11:56:18.001-05:00Thanks for your comments, Anonymous.
1. We don&#...Thanks for your comments, Anonymous. <br /><br />1. We don't have the data about enough channellers' strengths in the 5 powers to say whether anyone can be strong in just fire and air or earth and water.<br /><br />2. I think B is correct because we know of a weak channeller who has very great ability with shields, and great skill in shields requires strength in Spirit. It would certainly help a Red to be strong in Spirit, but Pevara tells us that the Reds also practise shielding a lot, and so hone their skill as much as they can, which is another way to be good at shielding. <br /><br />3. Again, we don't have the data to be able to answer this question. Most channeller's strengths (if any) in the 5 powers is never mentioned. However, we know that Naeff, an Asha'man, is particularly strong in Air. But there are far too few data points to draw any conclusions. Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14767984732078916662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-52797363876159828222023-02-09T00:32:27.550-05:002023-02-09T00:32:27.550-05:00Hi Linda! Thanks for putting this together! I have...Hi Linda! Thanks for putting this together! I have a few questions, it would be great if you could answer them for me. <br />1. Regarding the “positive” (Air and Fire) and “negative” (Earth and Water) powers: I believe in the Glossary it says that channellers are usually strong in one or two of the powers, with rare cases of strength in three or four, or (very rare) all five. In this article it says that a channeller is usually strong in one positive and one negative power. My question is, is it possible (and do we know how rare it would be) for a channeller to be strong in two “positive” or two “negative” powers e.g. strong in Air and Fire, or strong in Earth and Water? I understand that it is possible if the channeller is strong in three or four powers, but I wonder whether a channeller who is ONLY strong in two powers could be strong in two positive powers or two negative powers. <br /><br />2. When it says that strength in Spirit is found equally among men and women, does that mean that <br />a) all channellers have the “same” (proportional to strength in the Power, of course) strength in Spirit<br />Or<br />b) A channeller can have Spirit as one of their strengths, and on average the same number of men have this strength as do women<br />If b) is correct, wouldn’t that make strength in Spirit a desired attribute in a sister of the Red Ajah (improved shielding, and ability to cut weaves of Saidin)<br /><br />3. We know that it is possible, although rare, for women to be strong in “male” powers and vice versa. Egwene and “Pylar” Sedai are strong in Earth, and unless I’m mistaken, Aviendha is strong in Fire, however is there any way to tell exactly how rare of an occurrence this is? Would there be other Aes Sedai strong in the male powers? And on the point of my first question, would there be Aes Sedai strong in Air and Fire, or in Water and Earth? <br /><br />Thank you for you resourcefulness, you have been a great help on many things. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-17280072714675459982021-02-26T17:58:40.683-05:002021-02-26T17:58:40.683-05:00Siuan may or may not have known she could see ta&#...Siuan may or may not have known she could see ta'veren in New Spring. Not everything they knew was mentioned. At some stage she has seen people who are ta'veren, whether strong or weak. <br /><br />Learning about different Talents is as much a part of training as learning weaves. Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14767984732078916662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-86910916229838253672021-02-26T14:59:05.828-05:002021-02-26T14:59:05.828-05:00One actual question on talents is about the Talent...One actual question on talents is about the Talent of seeing ta’veren. Both Siuan and Nicola have shown it as they see glowing around the person who is a ta’veren. My question is for Siuan.<br />In TGH, she tells Moiraine “you know I have the Talent for seeing them”, when they talk after she sees Rand for the first time. How did she know she had the Talent at all? It never was mentioned she had it in New Spring. Does that mean Siuan has met other people who are ta’veren between then and the main series time? Could she have met people who have been ta’veren temporarily and of varying strength? Knowledge of the Talent could obviously have survived and could be taught to novices or Accepted at the Tower, but otherwise, how did Siuan and Moiraine know that Siuan in particular had it?belugakidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17687333679338563130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-75347056485918754502017-07-15T14:55:35.913-04:002017-07-15T14:55:35.913-04:00Can control of a Compelled person be transferred?
...Can control of a Compelled person be transferred?<br /><br />In the Last Battle, Hessalam-Graendal's Compulsion weave (aimed at Aviendha) backfires. Would Aviendha gain control of Graendal's thralls, now that Graendal herself is a thrall?<br /><br />My answer is no. I believe the individual doing Compulsion must be in control of him/herself. I have no basis for this belief, though.Norrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-11124471914812452312013-09-25T09:33:20.511-04:002013-09-25T09:33:20.511-04:00No he did not. It has been foreshadowed by Jordan ...No he did not. It has been foreshadowed by Jordan for some books that there was more to Callandor's flaws. One of them is that a man using Callandor can be forcibly brought into a circle with 2 women. See <a href="http://13depository.blogspot.com/2002/03/angreal-and-saangreal.html#callandor" rel="nofollow">Angreal and Sa'angreal</a>. It was explained thoroughly in AMOL. Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14767984732078916662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-45562713963942300082013-09-25T09:18:36.764-04:002013-09-25T09:18:36.764-04:00So Rand's plan to seal the Dark One hinged on ...So Rand's plan to seal the Dark One hinged on him bringing Moridin into a circle. Yet it's been stated that no one can be brought into a circle against their will...what's the deal there, did Sanderson just forget that particular part?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-71820886130592648842013-07-03T16:14:17.048-04:002013-07-03T16:14:17.048-04:00Anonymous, I think you've just described what ...Anonymous, I think you've just described what Linda did, just using different words. The section didn't say Nynaeve found out how to heal the insane, but hot to heal those male channelers afflicted by the taint who were insane as a result. By figuring out how to remove the taint and heal the punctures in their brains, Nynaeve "cleansed" them (or healed the cause of their instanity) and hence healed/removed the insanity (symptoms) resulting from the taint.Manetherenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16136085597386765947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-15511901049936300762013-06-13T10:38:02.173-04:002013-06-13T10:38:02.173-04:00Splendid article, Linda!
But you are mistaken abo...Splendid article, Linda!<br /><br />But you are mistaken about insanity healing. It was stated by RJ (aCoS signing), that insanity cannot be healed by One Power. Ishamael used True Power to heal Lews Therin.<br />Nynaeve did not find the way to heal insanity either. We saw what she realy did curing Asha'man, and that was removing the taint from poor man's head. This method will help her little and less, if she ever try to heal really crazy person. Well, if every madman or madwoman have the same thing in the head, that another matter, but I do not think that is the case.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-77537809223269467562013-04-28T23:05:22.089-04:002013-04-28T23:05:22.089-04:00I'm overly pedantic sometimes, sorry. On what...I'm overly pedantic sometimes, sorry. On what I hope is a more helpful note, you mention that Yukiri is thinking about one way gateways. Apparently she masters it quickly, because by the Last Battle chapter she has accomplished it. Gawyn questions if she is sure it will work. She replies that it has been extensively tested. She does admit that it would be easier to spot from close up, but cannot be seen from high up in the air.Chris Cottinghamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06012170996453011388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-25910144323356869902013-04-24T18:22:56.052-04:002013-04-24T18:22:56.052-04:00OK I'll do that Chris. I just considered it to...OK I'll do that Chris. I just considered it too obvious.<br />Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14767984732078916662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-17015156877094705042013-04-24T12:15:53.093-04:002013-04-24T12:15:53.093-04:00Hi Linda! Fantastic article as always! I'm s...Hi Linda! Fantastic article as always! I'm still reading, but one quick suggestion - add Semirhage to Nynaeve, Samitsu, and Sumeko as one of the best Healers. Semirhage was a famed and very Talented Restorer.Chris Cottinghamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06012170996453011388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-28313530574393405522012-12-01T01:03:57.530-05:002012-12-01T01:03:57.530-05:00Michael: A channeller can lend their strength to s...Michael: A channeller can lend their strength to someone else leading the circle, but not their Talent. If their level of Talent is required, then the lead is passed to them. <br /><br />So no in question 1.<br />2. She would have to be ejected.<br />3. They made an 'inclusive' weave beforehand (so Min could be bonded also) and they were linked while they did it.<br /><br />If you read the section on Alanna bonding Rand, Verin talks about what would have happened had they been linked and she is not sure. (It's just not done).<br /><br />But considering that Elayne and Aviendha did it, I would say that the Warder would be bonded to both of them.<br /><br />Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14767984732078916662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-86911351649105676412012-11-28T16:53:11.974-05:002012-11-28T16:53:11.974-05:00A couple questions:
1. Let's say that Egwene,...A couple questions:<br />1. Let's say that Egwene, Elayne, and Nynaeve formed a circle for whatever purpose. Someone nearby is injured to the point of needing Healing. If Egwene or Elayne is leading the circle, would Nynaeve's Talent for Healing have any bearing on the strength of the Healing? Let's assume that for whatever reason, control of the circle cannot be passed to Nynaeve.<br /><br />2. Same scenario, except Nynaeve is the one injured. Would it be possible for that circle to Heal Nynaeve, or would she have to be ejected from the circle?<br /><br />3. I can't recall if Elayne and Aviendha linked when they bonded Rand (although my gut is telling me that they did not), but what would have happened if they had, or if Nynaeve and Elayne had linked while bonding Birgitte? Would the Warder be bonded to both of them, or just the one leading the flows?Michaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-49416139004900716732012-03-02T19:09:31.953-05:002012-03-02T19:09:31.953-05:00Hi Linda,
Two points:
1) Egwene's healing we...Hi Linda,<br /><br />Two points:<br /><br />1) Egwene's healing weave, was not a mistake. FOR one thing, it actually worked. For another, its very possible since Nynaeve's discovery that Aes Sedai now use the flows they are strongest in for Healing.<br /><br />2) I think your statement about OP strength and Gateway size needs to change to reflect Androl, and also account for Asmodean stating that the One Power was only partly involved in the making of Gateways.<br /><br />-fionwe1987Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-86653736656106668412011-11-07T05:19:10.660-05:002011-11-07T05:19:10.660-05:00Well he asked them to join him, but they have to a...Well he asked them to join him, but they have to actually reach out to him with the power and make the link. Men can't do this.<br /><br />People are turned to the Shadow by a circle of 13 weaving the flows through 13 Myrddraal. The weave is acted on them, they aren't brought into the circle.Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14767984732078916662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-83021813341061384892011-11-03T12:36:05.615-04:002011-11-03T12:36:05.615-04:00Women can initiate a link; men cannot...
If that&...<i>Women can initiate a link; men cannot...</i><br /><br />If that's the case, how was the Ashaman who helped make Perrin's hammer able to call for a circle after he had already begun channeling?<br /><br />Who initiated that circle?<br /><br />Also, if men cannot be forced into a circle, how is Taim turning the men? Or is the person being turned not in the circle itself?Gifted Designshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01972599105406385581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-17581776849048178402011-01-15T17:24:12.493-05:002011-01-15T17:24:12.493-05:00Are you referring to Egwene's Healing weave? ...Are you referring to Egwene's Healing weave? I see no difference in that and Nynaeve's varying types of Delving ... and given how many Yellows showed Strength in Earth if follows that some new Healing weaves would involved Earth. Of course it could as easily have been a mistake by the author :)JDH1973https://www.blogger.com/profile/16494965142927122611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-85004974749621195142010-12-11T18:22:49.704-05:002010-12-11T18:22:49.704-05:00JDH: Thanks for drawing my attention to this secti...JDH: Thanks for drawing my attention to this section. I have made a slightly different take on it than yourself. :)Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14767984732078916662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-84224125963443448412010-12-11T16:23:02.264-05:002010-12-11T16:23:02.264-05:00two things:
1. Aligning the Matrix
This is a ma...two things:<br /><br />1. Aligning the Matrix<br /><br />This is a major Talent with which metals are made stronger (Lord of Chaos, Possibilities). It has not been seen yet. <br /><br />I'm pretty certain we've now seen this in ToM when they made Perrin's Hammer and later several other weapons were enhanced, such as the Aiel's spear heads.<br /><br />2. Egwene's Healing weave may not be a mistake, but one of the new Healing weaves. Note that she actually did a far better job of Healing Gawyn than she's demonstrated in the past. Before she could only Heal a bruise, but with Gawyn some of his wounds actually began to close up. It actually seems logical that Earth flows can be of more value in Healing, from the perspective of the various Yellows who had the requisite strength in Earth to make Cuendillar too.JDH1973https://www.blogger.com/profile/16494965142927122611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-66430146276521679262010-12-10T22:15:16.982-05:002010-12-10T22:15:16.982-05:00You're right, Peter. I was sure that was in. I...You're right, Peter. I was sure that was in. I must have missed that addition in the editing.Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14767984732078916662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-15903138627569487962010-12-10T19:59:37.566-05:002010-12-10T19:59:37.566-05:00Great article Linda - very comprehensive and well ...Great article Linda - very comprehensive and well researched.<br /><br />A small omission I noticed in "Making Ter'angreal". Elayne also made (inferior) copies of Mat's foxhead medallion.Peternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-11561787358910173182010-06-26T15:47:28.594-04:002010-06-26T15:47:28.594-04:00The way to form a weave is determined by the half ...The way to form a weave is determined by the half of the source that is used for it's creation.<br /><br />During the cleansing, Elsa controled the circle that contained Narishma and Calandor. When she spots Dashiva she decided to use Saidin to create a fireball. This clearly indicates that the person controling a circle can not only choose to use only one of the halves, but also also choose the half she/he normally wouldn't be able to channel.<br /><br />In TGS, Semirhage is linked with Rand through the male adam. She decides to use Saidin to torture Min but she has to search her memory first for the weave that is used by Saidin wielders. This clearly indicate that the half of the source used dictates how the weave must be channeled.<br /><br />It's not really clear to me if a mixed circle has to form both weaves at the same time or if there is a 3rd weave for a mixed circle. I don't think we have seen a mixed circle in which both halves were used for the same weave at the same time. During the cleansing, Rand used each half for a different weave and Elsa wasn't mentioned as using both halves at the same time.<br /><br />There might even be a 4th way to make a weave for users of the TP.<br /><br />LandroAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-86803260098994628352010-06-26T13:59:18.073-04:002010-06-26T13:59:18.073-04:00In KoD, immediately after Rand gets his hand burne...In KoD, immediately after Rand gets his hand burned off.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com