tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post4548591823347115885..comments2024-01-14T15:52:43.644-05:00Comments on The Thirteenth Depository - A Wheel of Time Blog: Analysis of Minor Characters #4: PevaraDominichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17610557134981958201noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-26117550927006098312010-10-12T14:22:14.135-04:002010-10-12T14:22:14.135-04:00My vote is for Chel Vanin next, I am very intrigue...My vote is for Chel Vanin next, I am very intrigued by the talented sack of suet.Jack O' Shadowsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-19937019107295055052010-10-11T14:27:37.463-04:002010-10-11T14:27:37.463-04:00I don't know if Pevara is negative-trait-free,...I don't know if Pevara is negative-trait-free, though. I think she's a bit too ruthless at times, especially with the rebel moles. I mean, not that she should have been all sweetness and light, but she did want, and arguably did, go overboard with them. <br /><br />I think I read Jordan say once that the Reds are the largest Ajah because they do what most people, including the girls that go to the Tower in the first place, think the Aes Sedai are really good for: finding, binding, and eliminating male channelers. <br /><br />BTW, I wonder who readers think is the "Worst" Ajah: Red or White. The Reds at least DO something. I mean, I'm a fine lover of philosophy, but the White do seem rather useless and terribly niche. They could be subsumed in the Brown with no trouble. I don't think we've seen one who is really "logical." Alviarin, for instance, has never seemed "really" White, no matter how competent she is. (And I don't know if it was just a goof on Jordan's part, but I've always been struck by the wrongheadedness of her wondering why there needed to be many kinds of arithmetic, since logic at the high level the Whites would be discussing among themselves would be virtually indistinguishable, in some ways, from math. Surely she had training in that! And surely other White sisters, at least, would be in that Depository more than it appears they are, if Alviaran's observation that she'd never seen another sister there is true.) <br /><br />A hearty "YES!" to doing Balwer. He's a wonderful character, though I admit I don't quite "get" him, probably because we have virtually no idea of his inner life.Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03301077496668834657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-27334224858131897322010-10-08T20:08:38.936-04:002010-10-08T20:08:38.936-04:00Jack: Thank you. Yes, that is exactly what I meant...Jack: Thank you. Yes, that is exactly what I meant to say.<br /><br />Frank: Nothing more has been said about Pevara. Hopefully there will be a scene or two at the Black Tower in Towers of Midnight.<br /><br />Deanna: I really like Pevara. She is such a positive character. It worries me though, that the most appealing Red is such an atypical Red. Tarna and Teslyn, both of whom I've also looked at, are Reds with more pleasant aspects yet they have some question marks hanging over them. Pretty much all Reds except Pevara have at least one strong negative trait.<br /><br />If a sister is not skilled in Healing but would like to do something concrete and important for the world the Red Ajah would be an obvious one to consider. Hence its large size.<br /><br />Both the Reds and the Whitecloaks have suffered through having too inflexible a dogma - contrast them with the Browns say! What we've seen of the Whitecloaks so far under Galad has been far interesting than when Niall or Valda led them. (Even though Niall was a fascinating character.)<br /><br />Incidentally Balwer might be the next minor character I look at.Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14767984732078916662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-17629074492856256682010-10-08T13:41:54.815-04:002010-10-08T13:41:54.815-04:00Oh where to begin? Thanks for doing Pevera. She&...Oh where to begin? Thanks for doing Pevera. She's an amazing secondary character and one I've cheered about seeing even if only in passing.<br /><br />The Red Ajah is a matter I've debated about for a while now (having spent a long time playing a red at dragonmount.com's roleplaying community) and I don't know that Pevera's point of view is so odd as it is that the other Ajahs and the world has a slanted view of the Reds and we have seen relatively few of that Ajah (most of whom needed to be 'hard', 'stupid', or 'evil' for story purposes)<br /><br />That's not to say that a fair number of Reds aren't card carrying men-haters... but, I also could see where women who had sympathy for their condition and a desire to protect the world, would also sign up to the Ajah's cause thusly welcoming in a large variety of women into their fold (and accounting for why they are the largest ajah.)<br /><br />The Red Ajah's purpose is a tangible one where you can clearly see the results of your hard work (the Yellows can also claim this as healers) and because (until recently) it's not one that is needed every day, it leaves a woman a lot of time to do other things that help the world.<br /><br />I can't claim to have any inside information on Mr. Jordan's creation but even his most (seemingly) 2D groups (White Cloaks?) also had deeper and more honest roots than what they appear whenever they walk into a scene. I suspect the same can be said of the Red Ajah otherwise why would it be the largest Ajah in the Tower? I can't imagine that many girls would be excited to sign up under the meanest sisters in the Tower... unless you really believe that many women are men-hating, power-hungry, bad-guys.<br /><br />And if that's the case... I suspect the White Tower and dear Egwene are in for a lot more trouble yet to come. Probably enough to fill another book series!DeAnnahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10612195575215017283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-83839588614612420652010-10-08T13:29:39.483-04:002010-10-08T13:29:39.483-04:00Some of the Reds' higher proportion of Blacks ...Some of the Reds' higher proportion of Blacks might have something to do with Galina. She was apparently very active in the subtle "recruitment" the Ajahs do, and it's not inconceivable that she consciously tried to get Reds who would be amenable to going Black as well. <br /><br />Has there been any word, BTW, about those 30-40,000 words about Pevara et al. in the Black Tower that Brandon didn't think would fit into any of the books? He said he might release it on his site, I presume after the book is released, but I don't know what Tor or Harriet would have to say about that. Anyone heard anything?Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03301077496668834657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-32560762860377636692010-10-08T08:54:48.305-04:002010-10-08T08:54:48.305-04:00Wording numbers and statistics in paragraph form a...Wording numbers and statistics in paragraph form always runs the risk of ambiguity. I think Linda meant it this way: Reds compose 19% of the Aes Sedai population, so you would expect Red/Blacks to be 19% of the Black Ajah. But they actually account for 24% of the Black Ajah, which is 5% higher than if things were spread totally evenly. That extra 5% is 25% higher than the expected number of 19%.Jacknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-47460642055096044672010-10-08T08:34:37.643-04:002010-10-08T08:34:37.643-04:00About 24% of the Black Ajah are Red, which is abou...<i>About 24% of the Black Ajah are Red, which is about 25% higher than would be expected, considering that <b>Reds</b> represent about 19% of the total Aes Sedai population.</i><br />Did you mean "blacks" instead of "Reds" here?shadarhttp://www.wotsummary.comnoreply@blogger.com