tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post6129202308122249857..comments2024-01-14T15:52:43.644-05:00Comments on The Thirteenth Depository - A Wheel of Time Blog: Character Parallels: MatDominichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17610557134981958201noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-46660236536855762882024-01-07T07:58:17.684-05:002024-01-07T07:58:17.684-05:00Speaking of Band of the Red Hand. Not only Red Han...Speaking of Band of the Red Hand. Not only Red Hand is prominent symbol of Ulster, there was an actual paramilitary group of Ulster Loyalists called the "Red Hand Commando". Tk421https://www.blogger.com/profile/06645840837262580080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-18428691114040811272019-05-02T02:55:22.325-04:002019-05-02T02:55:22.325-04:00Some further insight on the Vishnu elements -
Vis...Some further insight on the Vishnu elements -<br /><br />Vishnu, more than any other Hindu god is associated with having lived several lives. While the reincarnation element more strong with Rand, Mat's memories also allude to this.<br /><br />In Hindu culture, a person Lucky in money/material matters is considered to have Lakshmi on his side. Which directly plays in to Mat being lucky, especially with money, and having Fortuona on his side.<br /><br />Krishna is the most strong parallel - Portrayed as a naughty child, leading all the village kids into trouble, particularly to the ire of older women in the community. This seems to line up with character's memories of a young Mat.<br />Krishna grown up is portrayed as being very, very popular with the ladies but at the same time strongly associated with Radha, his consort. Both elements show up with Mat.<br />Krishna the King is a well loved leader, and a wily battle tactician. Despite not being the most heralded war commander, his insights are integral to victory in the war in the epic Mahabharata.<br /><br />The Krishna story is of a jovial, light-hearted character, interspersed with badass acts of heroic violence. Many don't take him seriously, but those in the know realise his worth is paramount.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-79276609501850288942016-01-10T21:53:39.483-05:002016-01-10T21:53:39.483-05:00Linda,
Thanks so much for such a detailed and tho...Linda, <br />Thanks so much for such a detailed and thoughtful article. I really enjoyed learning about various historical, mythological, and spiritual figures connected one of my favorite characters.<br />I will have to read your other essays and maybe I will now finish the series.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-87871043383760113502012-07-11T06:00:19.905-04:002012-07-11T06:00:19.905-04:00Thanks. You're not the first to be surprised t...Thanks. You're not the first to be surprised that Napoleon's characteristics were paralleled in a negative way.<br /><br />And thanks to the othe Anonymous who made suggestions for Mat parallels. I shall be looking into these when the time comes to do the AMOL updates.Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14767984732078916662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-11064022964475447522012-07-11T05:46:33.151-04:002012-07-11T05:46:33.151-04:00Oh yes, I didn't see that. However as I'm ...Oh yes, I didn't see that. However as I'm quite fond of Napoléon it pains me to see him in Sammael :P Thanks nonetheless, you are doing an amazing jobAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-30763904503530204112012-07-02T19:26:25.814-04:002012-07-02T19:26:25.814-04:00Thanks for your suggestion. I don't agree, bec...Thanks for your suggestion. I don't agree, because there is another character who is a very good general and actually has Napoleon's mannerisms: Sammael. In fact , when Rand thought he was fighting Sammael during the battle for Cairhien, he quoted Wellington. I've written about it <a href="http://13depository.blogspot.com.au/2009/02/sammael.html#napoleon" rel="nofollow">here:</a>Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14767984732078916662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-86456077754600288002012-07-02T11:38:51.793-04:002012-07-02T11:38:51.793-04:00Another parallel that crossed my mind was one with...Another parallel that crossed my mind was one with Napoléon. The link between Napoléon and Arthur Hawkwing (military genuis, laying siege for twenty years to Tar Valon/Great Britain) appeared clear to me and thus it goes to Mat as well for the warfare that is employed. The importance of fast movement for an army and so on. Then, the ruling figure of Napoléon could as well be found in Rand's pre-epiphany.<br />What do you think of it ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-57292871010031123902011-07-19T22:55:57.883-04:002011-07-19T22:55:57.883-04:00Sorry I did not see the section of Maui. Well, yo...Sorry I did not see the section of Maui. Well, you can still use the part about Maui's wife Hina.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-55548540239660657812011-07-19T22:52:07.488-04:002011-07-19T22:52:07.488-04:00One more parallel:
In some traditions, the trick...One more parallel:<br /><br /> In some traditions, the trickster and culture hero Maui has a wife named Hina, as do the gods Tane and Tangaroa. Hina is often associated with the moon. Hina (literally “girl”) is the name of several different goddesses and women in Polynesian mythology.<br /><br />A trickster who has a wife associated with the moon. Sounds like Mat to me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-62441811594606455822011-07-19T01:17:49.542-04:002011-07-19T01:17:49.542-04:00Another possible parallel for Mat is the Egyptian ...Another possible parallel for Mat is the Egyptian God Bes. He was "a popular god of good fortune." He "came to symbolize the good things in life - music, dance, and sexual pleasure." "Bes was a household protector" who fought off evil spirits. His wife Beset is described as having the ears, mane, and tail of a lion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-75488435934424260562011-07-19T01:01:14.732-04:002011-07-19T01:01:14.732-04:00A possible parallel for Mat:
Tokwah - The trickst...A possible parallel for Mat: <br />Tokwah - The trickster, culture hero, and master of the dead of the Mataco of the Gran Chaco. (South America)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-79931818417882350192011-05-29T05:56:54.900-04:002011-05-29T05:56:54.900-04:00Thank you very much for that Kim. I have finally f...Thank you very much for that Kim. I have finally found time to do some of these missed updates.Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14767984732078916662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-13760205436091353382011-04-12T23:22:01.945-04:002011-04-12T23:22:01.945-04:00There's an update required here - in the secti...There's an update required here - in the section of Francis Mario it says: "However, he is about to absent himself again, this time from the world, when he goes to rescue Moiraine."Kimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15302236211719859378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-77681676469487402582011-02-07T04:46:55.019-05:002011-02-07T04:46:55.019-05:00Thanks for the corrections.
Mattrickster: I only ...Thanks for the corrections.<br /><br />Mattrickster: I only noticed this myself last week.Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14767984732078916662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-13974647812299630152011-02-07T04:42:55.472-05:002011-02-07T04:42:55.472-05:00A really enjoyable article.
I missed seeing Brigit...A really enjoyable article.<br />I missed seeing Brigitte as a valkerie. It seems obvious now that you pointed it out. Thanks for all your hard work.Mattricksternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-66713295401077553432011-02-06T21:26:45.213-05:002011-02-06T21:26:45.213-05:00under 'Gamgling' you wrote that Mat's ...under 'Gamgling' you wrote that Mat's motto is 'it's time to roll the dice' when it actually is 'it's time to TOSS the dice'<br />it's a minor point, but i just thought i'd let you know in case you decided it was important enough to fixAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-55503989874832727922011-02-06T20:47:51.769-05:002011-02-06T20:47:51.769-05:00"Realms" is misspelled in the section on..."Realms" is misspelled in the section on Mat's comparison to Hermes. Great Article Linda! Keep up the fantastic work!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-15340293724248625902010-09-15T07:45:06.114-04:002010-09-15T07:45:06.114-04:00I have enjoyed your Mat Cauthon essay very much Li...I have enjoyed your Mat Cauthon essay very much Linda. <br /><br /><br /> Though, I do have a question for you about Mat Cauthon and other possible source parallel.<br /><br /> <br /> During research into historic people with the name Latin "Valerius", for another character (Luca), I came across one <b>King of Hungary</b> who claimed to be tied to this very famous Roman family of Emperors, Generals, Poets, Valentines etc... one <b>Mátyás Corvinus</b>. Or Matthias Corvinus, in the English language.<br /><br /><br /> He's a 15th century Hungarian King, who's a quintessential Renaissance king, who helped the poor, dressed up as a commoner and was a strong, savvy leader. He ended up becoming the "people's king". <br /><br /> Matthias, created Central Europe's first standing army--30,000 mercenaries known as the Black Army. Which politically enabled him to drain power from the nobles and reduce taxation on his subjects.<br /><br /> He also ended up, making peace with the Ottoman sultan to stabilize Hungary's southern border. Then ended up taking over Moravia, Bohemia, and Austria... so Hungary entered a golden age under Mátyás Corvinus.<br /><br /><br /> The last name Corvinus is important to Mat Cauthon's character in another way, I suspect too. How?<br /><br /> Corvinus, ia '<i>raven with a ring,</i>' is a founding myth of Hungarian royalty and Kings. Mátyás Corvinus is known as the Raven King, not surprisingly.<br /> <br /><br /> I though it curious that an army with a name "Black Death" led by a "King of Ravens" in 15th century Hungarian, <i>might</i> truly have a historically character parallel for the Wheel of Time's Mat Cauthon. Who has leads an army flying the "Jak o’ the Shadows", and who now is a Prince of Ravens. Perhaps soon to be King Mat Cauthon?<br /> <br /><br /> "<i>Jak o' the Shadows</i>" is <i>"Death"</i>, according to Mat Cauthon in Lord of Chaos, Chapter 5 'A Different Dance'. =o)<br /> <br /><br /> If you have further questions, it's best to reach me at: <br /><br /> FelixPax at Theoryland Forum.<br /><br /><br /> Thanks Linda!FelixPaxnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-56240116591830776632010-02-26T04:16:39.960-05:002010-02-26T04:16:39.960-05:00Wow.Wow.silorathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16074398016974719270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-71816349115855757672009-12-20T23:53:50.164-05:002009-12-20T23:53:50.164-05:00A parallel that ought to be added to the songs sec...A parallel that ought to be added to the songs section is that, <a href="http://wot.wikia.com/wiki/Band_of_the_Red_Hand" rel="nofollow">according to episode 43 of the 4th Age podcast, the tune for Jac O' Shadows is from Garryowen, the regimental song of the US 7th Cavalry. </a>SteelBlaiddhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01233479838726084794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-66682996752851457372009-12-19T14:52:35.268-05:002009-12-19T14:52:35.268-05:00This is truly one of your most amazingThis is truly one of your most amazingUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10552897516828738187noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-21196710135354586792009-11-06T12:04:19.959-05:002009-11-06T12:04:19.959-05:00AMAZING YOU ARE GODAMAZING YOU ARE GODAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-86832151125215044272009-08-28T18:02:13.395-04:002009-08-28T18:02:13.395-04:00Thank you! I was very happy with the way this one ...Thank you! I was very happy with the way this one turned out.Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14767984732078916662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-63117064267743472632009-07-03T09:14:49.467-04:002009-07-03T09:14:49.467-04:00I am consistently impressed by the depth of these ...I am consistently impressed by the depth of these articles :)<br />They make the books even more interesting to read and think about, thanks :)Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01142343934572004156noreply@blogger.com