tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post6154115194758087293..comments2024-01-14T15:52:43.644-05:00Comments on The Thirteenth Depository - A Wheel of Time Blog: The Gathering Storm Read-Through #22: Chapter 19 - GambitsDominichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17610557134981958201noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-65065215345638895582012-09-27T20:46:31.842-04:002012-09-27T20:46:31.842-04:00Russ: Tuon is an "order" figure, such as...Russ: Tuon is an "order" figure, such as the Ancient Egyptian goddess Ma'at. She and her forces have brought strength to the areas that they have taken. Rand himself noticed the difference. Whether there is any more to it than that remains to be seen.Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14767984732078916662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-14214015263911123442012-09-27T15:55:31.786-04:002012-09-27T15:55:31.786-04:00Linda, there is something about the whole emphasis...Linda, there is something about the whole emphasis on order that's tugging at my brain. Tuon thought "I represent order." <br /><br />In Herid Fel's note, which keeps getting thrown in our face, he states "Belief and order give strength." He's talking about sealing the bore, I think? At least that's what the second part of the note refers to.<br /><br />It makes me think that Tuon has something to do with the bore being sealed?<br /><br />Just seems too coincidental that we'd get reminded of this note, and then this blatantly thrown at us a couple chapters later.Russnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-73180653129070174452011-07-15T15:45:09.298-04:002011-07-15T15:45:09.298-04:00doesnt that depend on how long she lives? if she i...doesnt that depend on how long she lives? if she is around 700 years she may have to move her house down the beach to stay on the shoreAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-41997415515874383982011-06-21T06:57:10.414-04:002011-06-21T06:57:10.414-04:00Quite possibly Anonymous, but it takes quite a tim...Quite possibly Anonymous, but it takes quite a time for the sea level to fall that far. Longer than the Empress, may she live forever, will live.Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14767984732078916662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-34275754175793985922011-06-20T12:47:17.703-04:002011-06-20T12:47:17.703-04:00maybe a stupid thought but once the blight is gone...maybe a stupid thought but once the blight is gone should the ice expand again making the sea level drop and make Ebou Dar useless as a port?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-91642541811906398832011-06-08T06:44:24.146-04:002011-06-08T06:44:24.146-04:00Yes, rew, they are meant to be contrasted, but as ...Yes, rew, they are meant to be contrasted, but as you say, compared as well. And Egwene and Tuon can also be compared with each other.Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14767984732078916662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-67773631142402788282011-06-07T12:29:04.296-04:002011-06-07T12:29:04.296-04:00@Linda, yes all of the females have wanted to do s...@Linda, yes all of the females have wanted to do so, but it seems to me that Elaida and Tuon have been set up as specific counterparts of one another, more so than others (though perhaps Egwene might be a third wheel to this): both are/were heads of major institutions of power based on a channeling foundation, but they look like foils- one is black (Towers of Midnight), one is white, one is based on ruthless forced control of channeling (black, Saidin), the other based on willful self-submission (white, Saidar), one is an overt political empire, the other covert a behind-the-scenes power, etc. It looks like these two were set up specifically as two sides of the same coin, much in common, much in contrast...<br /><br />(andrew here, was signed in on wrong google account before)'rewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07099429027243675145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-10010548412198615282011-06-07T07:00:57.746-04:002011-06-07T07:00:57.746-04:00Andrew and tball: All of the female leaders have w...Andrew and tball: <i>All</i> of the female leaders have wanted to approach Rand from a position of strength so they can control him. From Siuan and Moiraine, to Elaida, to Egwene, and Tuon...<br /><br />Elaida has demonstrated Travelling in Tuon's presence. It may be that Tuon will return the 'courtesy' and channel in front of Elaida!<br /><br />Since Elaida can Foretell, I think it likely that she and Tuon will meet in the future.Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14767984732078916662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-37805610713313181172011-06-06T21:26:00.627-04:002011-06-06T21:26:00.627-04:00I agree Andrew. The key difference, though, betwe...I agree Andrew. The key difference, though, between Elaida and Tuon is that Tuon has shown a willingness to change course and admit she might have been wrong.t ballnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-59188519842257230842011-06-06T12:26:47.985-04:002011-06-06T12:26:47.985-04:00It is interesting to me that while Tuon is a direc...It is interesting to me that while Tuon is a direct contrast to Elaida, and other tyrannical rulers, as you point out with regard to Order and Justice/tyranny, it seems that she might have much in common with her as well. That penutlimate quote (i.e.- <br />Tuon had thought to go to Rand<br /><br /> in strength, his armies defeated, the White Tower torn down? She needed him brought to the Crystal Throne under very controlled circumstances, with the understanding that he was to submit to her authority.”<br /><br /> The Gathering Storm, Gambits) could easily be something Elaida could have thought, replacing Crystal Throne with Amyrlin Seat of course. Coupled with her not wanting to believe the reports about Anath, she seems to have many of the same character traits as Elaida (perhaps not to the same extremes though). The thought makes me wonder if those two will have a significant meeting in the near future...Rewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07618998567719219742noreply@blogger.com