tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post639602712811785724..comments2024-01-14T15:52:43.644-05:00Comments on The Thirteenth Depository - A Wheel of Time Blog: Winter's Heart Read-through Post #2: Schooling Their Thoughts - Wheel of Time AcademiesDominichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17610557134981958201noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-41602766944325482612012-07-04T16:37:35.391-04:002012-07-04T16:37:35.391-04:00Interesting thought on the One Power not being ava...Interesting thought on the One Power not being available with technology after the Last Battle. The successful integration of the One Power with technology to build/achieve greater things is one of the defining characteristics of the Age of Legends.<br /><br />It stands to reason that a great many, if not most channelers die in the Last Battle, or that afterwards if the Seanchan do conquer everything all females channelers would be captured and males killed. This could cause people with access to the One Power to die out making way for an age of technology. Then when the Pattern deems it necessary, it will re-introduce the One Power to the world again. The Heroes of the Horn aren't the only thing The Pattern needs to spin out to produce balance again. Just a thought.Manetherenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16136085597386765947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-43336575724852502972010-04-02T22:43:46.809-04:002010-04-02T22:43:46.809-04:00The steam engine is in the article. Just click on ...The steam engine is in the article. Just click on the read more link.Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14767984732078916662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-60858065785744642792010-04-02T10:30:38.839-04:002010-04-02T10:30:38.839-04:00One invention that was developed at Cairhien was t...One invention that was developed at Cairhien was the steam engine. IIRC when Rand inspected it, it barely went a few yards without breaking down. Later on in the series, rumors have reached Tear of a train getting there without horses. And possibly continuing onto Illian.alreadymadnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-85853602313362643302010-03-19T10:19:45.856-04:002010-03-19T10:19:45.856-04:00I don't remember exactly where I read this the...I don't remember exactly where I read this theory -- I'll try to look it up. <br /><br />We know Sammael is (was) in control of the only known gholam loose in the world, shortly after Fel's death. If we're meant to make the connection, then we must ask why Sammael wants Fel dead. The theory is that Sammael thought Fel was Asmodean, and sent the gholam to remove him. <br /><br />The mistake makes sense: Sammael might hear from his contacts in Cairhien that Rand has an advisor who spends all his time hidden away in an 'academy' and who Rand goes and meets with on a regular basis. Presuming Sammael did not kill Asmodean, and thus believes A. is alive and working for Rand, he might well decide that the hidden advisor "Herid Fel" is in reality the ex-Forsaken. <br /><br />The theory also makes sense of why a gholam was sent, rather than a lesser shadowspawn or just a darkfriend with a dagger. Gholam were used to assassinate Aes Sedai in the War of the Power, and for good reason -- any other assassin could be made helpless by the least channeler, and even the weakest Forsaken is still quite strong comparatively.<br /><br />I agree that none of the Forsaken (save Moridin) seems likely to see the worth in killing Fel, even if they knew what Fel and Rand were talking about. Most of them would assume in their pride that no one from this backward Age could figure out how to do what even Lews Therin failed at. And the gholam really doesn't seem like Moridin's style. The mistaken identity theory is a quite clever explanation to that mystery. I only wish I could remember where I read it...Hanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06774781064008268665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-63337733435987906862010-03-19T05:09:53.242-04:002010-03-19T05:09:53.242-04:00Anonymous: Why? That goes for any Forsaken really....Anonymous: Why? That goes for any Forsaken really.<br /><br />As for not destroying Fel's books: <br /><br />That depends on what information the Forsaken who sent the gholam received regarding Fel. If it was only that Fel and Rand met and that Fel sent Rand messages and what these messages were about, then this Forsaken might not know about Fel's books.<br /><br />If the Forsaken knew that Fel had written books they might have believed that the books were no threat, or that Rand or his aides were not have been capable of figuring out what was crucial in the books. <br /><br />From Moridin's thoughts in Ebou Dar as he watched Elayne and co depart, he has been mostly reluctant to reveal himself to non-Darkfriends. In that scene he also bungles finding out what the women had found in the Rahad and where they were going.<br /><br />We are not sure how many gholam are loose at the moment. We only know that 3 male and 3 female were created and that the male one in the south was placed in a stasis box some time at the end of the AOL. We don't actually know the gender of the one that killed Fel.<br /><br />There could easily be two loose. Graendal, for instance had a close encounter with on prior to LOC.Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14767984732078916662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-59227709109797547622010-03-18T20:20:41.368-04:002010-03-18T20:20:41.368-04:00Why would Moridin be so stupid by being so careles...Why would Moridin be so stupid by being so careless to hide the fact he's got the scholar killed?<br /><br />If he feared what he could tell Rand, why tip Rand that what he was discussing with the man was inconvenient to the Shadow? And his knowledge is the motive, why so carelessly leave all his books behind? <br /><br />The murder convinced Rand and Min that Fel had found something.<br /><br />This doesn't sound like Moridin at all. Using a gholam would be completely overkill too. And Moridin would not have learned what Fel actually told Rand, which is not very bright. Why not come in person and remove the man after questionning him? Why not find his dreams and question him in TAR before killing him so he's found dead of "natural causes" the next morning? Why not arrange for any darkfriend in Cairhien to slip a dagger in his back - the man was very often in the countryside fishing. He was a terribly easy target. It's not like Moridin to have used a gholam for this.<br /><br />And how do you explain the gholam ending up in Sammael's control almost immediately after the murder?<br /><br />Isn't it far more likely and reasonable that Sammael was the one who ordered Herid Fel killed, and he used his gholam either because he wasn't sure what exactly he was facing, or because he wanted to test the gholam that had been in stasis for so long?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-42721976308349135152010-03-18T18:13:15.439-04:002010-03-18T18:13:15.439-04:00Anonymous: thanks.
Dida: Regarding cuendillar can...Anonymous: thanks.<br /><br />Dida: Regarding cuendillar cannon - none of the channellers in Caemlyn knows the cuendillar weave yet. THe first cannon were cast in bronze, as Aludra plans to do, so cast iron hasn't been considered yet. I think you're getting ahead of things here. <br /><br />You misread: I think Fel was killed on Moridin's orders. He was the one most likely to recognise the danger in Fel's deductions. Demandred wasn't hunting the Seals until two books later. Rahvin was quite probably dead when the gholam was ordered to Cairhien.Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14767984732078916662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-3850271223463195512010-03-18T17:34:36.425-04:002010-03-18T17:34:36.425-04:00Linda:
Regarding Mat's need to create canno...Linda: <br /><br />Regarding Mat's need to create cannon, there is the possible after any are created that one of the channeling group (Kin, Sea Folk) in Caemlyn should make <b>Iron cannons into Cuendillar cannons</b>.<br /> <br />On Mat's desire to increase the firing speed of his Heavy Crossbows, would <b>going to Cairhien to get Idrien </b> be a good possibly? Considering she already created a high powered extend firing range Heavy Crossbow which almost killed the Shiado Clan Chief in Cairhien. <br /><br /> There a need in the story arcs already for someone to go to Cairhien in ToM book, that's other reason why I'm open to the possible of Mat and/or Aludra go to recruit Idrien. Besides many of the inventions already in the works or created would benefit a military force: Gliders, Telescope, Ballista, Streamwagons, Paddleboats.<br /><br />For example, Perrin's forces easily could use Paddleboats armed with cannon & ballista to protect Ghealdan's southern & eastern borders from Shadowspawn & Seanchan Empire. Meanwhile Mat's cannons would be far more effective with telescopes, to confirm damage at long-range. The Band of Red Hand could move much faster on a battlefield with Streamwagons re-supplying the Cavalty & Foot Soldiers too. <br /><br /> I am curious though, we will see <b>large scale chemical weapons & warfare</b> in WoT before the end of the series? <br /><br />Historically, chemical weapons have been around a very long time. Perrin already poisoned a whole city's water supply with forkroot to immobilize Shiado Wise Ones from channeling, similar to the Athenians actions in 600 B.C. Would Gas warfare be next up? <br /> <br /><br /> Why does Dominic think Herid Fel was killed on Moridin's orders? <br /><br /> A Gholam killed Herid Fel, but Moridin's thoughts elsewhere express the view nothing can sense the True Power. Yet a Gholam can sense the True Power, as we have seen from a male Gholam pov in Ebou Dar. <br /><br /> There was another likely previous killing by Gholam in Cairhien, when Lord Barthanes Damodred found dead mysteriously (tGH book,Chapter 34).<br />Its unknown whether it was the same male Gholam was used in all three high impact killings: Barthanes Damodred, Herid Fel, or in Ebou Dar after Aes Sedai & Mat.<br /><br /> There might be one to three different Gholam in the story alive at work for their master(s) now; whether dead or alive currently. <br /><br /> Rahvin could of wanted Barthanes Damodred so he could later invade that country for all we know. Demandred could of order a Gholam to kill Herid Fel, or possibly Rahvin too. At least both had an interest in Cairhien early in the story. Demandred already had darkfriends seeking the remaining "Seals", which Herid Fel was researching in Cairhien.Didanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-27965505432705639882010-03-18T06:58:48.299-04:002010-03-18T06:58:48.299-04:00Linda - I picked up on the Mat-Elayne connection f...Linda - I picked up on the Mat-Elayne connection from the above-quoted comment but didn't consider the potential impact of the Camelyn school - nice analysis. Also, keep in mind that Elayne is going to need something productive to do while her body gets unwieldy as she gets closer to birthing the twins, and working with Aludra to supervise the development and deployment of firepower for Rand's armies at TG might well end up being the focus of her role in ToM - in addition to hosting Mat and Perrin and their respective compatriots in their returns to Camelyn. RobMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com