tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post6576458372399174648..comments2024-01-14T15:52:43.644-05:00Comments on The Thirteenth Depository - A Wheel of Time Blog: The Eye of the World Read-Through #1 - Mat and Rand in the WoodsDominichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17610557134981958201noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-60894827927155755792009-04-24T02:35:00.000-04:002009-04-24T02:35:00.000-04:00I think my favorite about the quote is what Rand f...I think my favorite about the quote is what Rand feels toward Elayne, and his relationship with her, how he fears that it will bring her to harm. For him to refer to the palace, Elayne's palace, as "a heart that beat in the shadow of those two banners...." It's a very nice touch. :DTerezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12417142245785029171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-34994713902791976622009-04-23T22:20:00.000-04:002009-04-23T22:20:00.000-04:00Terez: I do see why you like the paragraph. It pac...Terez: I do see why you like the paragraph. It packs in quite a few of Rand's motifs: red and blood, serpents, gold, wind...<br /><br />Rand fights five men there, and five is they symbol of humanity. At times, Rand has to fight to hold onto his humanity. The Dragon on the banner has five claws.<br /><br />And he moves from Lion to Moon to Morning. How apt!Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14767984732078916662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-23977499709889809302009-04-22T08:47:00.000-04:002009-04-22T08:47:00.000-04:00Actually, I see now that I made it to chapter 5, a...Actually, I see now that I made it to chapter 5, and I remember that I stalled on the question of whether or not to add chapter 6 to the analysis because of the limited Lews Therin conversation between Graendal and Sammael. :)Terezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12417142245785029171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-43036527951310379162009-04-22T08:43:00.000-04:002009-04-22T08:43:00.000-04:00Yup, that's one of my favorite bits in the chapter...Yup, that's one of my favorite bits in the chapter. I mentioned it (and other bits) in the <A HREF="http://theoryland.yuku.com/reply/3646/t/Lews-Therin-Lord-of-Chaos.html#reply-3646" REL="nofollow">analysis</A> I did of that chapter for the Lews Therin project. This chapter name is one with a direct quote, in Rand's sword-forms:<br /><br /><I>He was one with the sword, flowing from stance to stance without thought, boots scraping softly on the pale tiles. Lion on the Hill became Arc of the Moon became Tower of Morning. Without thought. Five sweating, bare-chested men circled him, sidestepping warily from stance to stance, practice swords shifting. They were all he was really aware of. Hard-faced and confident, they were the best he had found so far. The best since Lan went. Without thought, as Lan had taught him. He was one with the sword, one with the five men.</I> - Lord of Chaos, Chapter 1, "Lion on the Hill"<br /><br />That was actually the last chapter I posted, I think. I remember that I got depressed at that point because I didn't really have time to do the analysis justice - analyzing RJ is like analyzing Bach sometimes. :) <br /><br />I did know that Harriet chose the icons, but I can't remember having read that she did the chapter names. It's possible, though - whether RJ or Harriet came up with them, they are a nice touch. Another favorite is "Something Flickers". It has at least three meanings in the chapter that are obvious - 1) the direct quote, when Renna was shot, 2) the ghosts that only Mat could see, and 3) the "flicker" of romance between Mat and Tuon (the most significant, I think, since Ebou Dar, and a reference to yet another chapter name, the cluster of rosebuds).Terezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12417142245785029171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-92022291134115106312009-04-22T06:59:00.000-04:002009-04-22T06:59:00.000-04:00I also love this one, and how it answers directly ...I also love this one, and how it answers directly to a verse of the opening chant, revealing its meaning by opposition: <br /><br />"The lions sing and the hills take flight.<br />The moon by day, and the sun by night."<br /><br />IRRC, it's mostly Harriet we have to credit for the evocative chapter titles (and the choice of the icons.) I'm less sure about the titles (the icons I am), but I think this was mentionned...Dominichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17610557134981958201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-53221533046108879322009-04-22T05:18:00.000-04:002009-04-22T05:18:00.000-04:00I like the use of the chapter name for this theme ...I like the use of the chapter name for this theme ('Into the Woods'). RJ chapter names are under-appreciated, I think.<br /><br />One of my favorites is 'Lion on the Hill'. I have a hard time trying to get people to understand why I like this quote so much, from Rand's point of view:<br /><br /><I>Westward, until the wind passed across Caemlyn, lifting two banners above the Royal Palace, in the heart of the Ogier-built Inner City. One banner floated red as blood, upon it a disc divided by a sinuous line, half white, half black as deep as the white was brilliant. The other banner slashed snow white across the sky. The figure on it, like some strange golden-maned, four-legged serpent, sun-eyed and scaled scarlet and gold, seemed to ride on the wind. It was a close question which of the two caused more fear. Sometimes, the same breast that held fear, held hope. Hope of salvation and fear of destruction, from the same source....As the Inner City was the heart of Caemlyn, and more than merely by being its center, the Royal Palace was the heart of the Inner City, a gleeman’s tale of snowy spires and golden domes and stonework like lace. A heart that beat in the shadow of those two banners.</I> - Lord of Chaos, Chapter 1, "Lion on the Hill"<br /><br />I have a feeling you would understand, though. :D That particular chapter is just loaded with nice stuff...Terezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12417142245785029171noreply@blogger.com