tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post9218616553780770179..comments2024-01-14T15:52:43.644-05:00Comments on The Thirteenth Depository - A Wheel of Time Blog: Crossroads of Twilight Read-through #5: Visions of OthersDominichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17610557134981958201noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-91535430565197911512010-09-25T03:35:07.550-04:002010-09-25T03:35:07.550-04:00Pablo, Moiraine isn't dead first of all, and s...Pablo, Moiraine isn't dead first of all, and secondly, Cyndane is most definitely Lanfear.Her hatred of Lews Therin for spurning her is very evident. She is ordered by Moridin to stay away from Rand because she would most definitely kill Rand. Sorry bud, but Lanfear is Cyndane. However i do agree she is in no way part of the circle. IMpossible.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-3802030349240690442010-06-01T07:06:10.291-04:002010-06-01T07:06:10.291-04:00Terry I agree that the link was accidental and was...Terry I agree that the link was accidental and was then made use of. But also caused problems of its own.Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14767984732078916662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-58181217470126836922010-05-30T14:30:34.164-04:002010-05-30T14:30:34.164-04:00Dida, right after you considered the possibility o...Dida, right after you considered the possibility of Lanfear being the third of the circle, you ask:<br /><br />"Why would they need to link with Rand using Callandor?"<br /><br />But you answered <i> what </i> they would link for. <br />Cyndane is not Lanfear, she doesn't love Rand anymore, so I can't think of a reason <b>why</b> she would help him at some point. Not to mention that Rand actually hates Lanfear, as she is responsible for Moiraine's death.<br /><br /><br />Anyway, I think your theory has a point, but I also think you crossed out Nynaeve too quickly. Since when any character personal desires are more important than the greater good? Brandon really likes Nynaeve, and both Jordan and him have made her character very reader-friendly, so she is a good candidate for that role to me.<br /><br />Besides, there is also that last Min's viewing about Nynaeve...<br /><br /><br /><br />PS: I'm sorry if my English is not perfect. If you guys don't understand anything please say what and I'll try to explain better.<br /><br />PS2: Great blog! I'm glad I just found it out.Pablonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-49786478658964272352010-05-30T04:17:26.683-04:002010-05-30T04:17:26.683-04:00Dear Anonymous,
If you have been at all followi...Dear Anonymous,<br /><br /><br /> If you have been at all following Dragonmount and/or this blog's own forum. You should already know, that I make no assumption that Cyndane ever was Lanfear. I assume based on evidence that Lanfear always was Lanfear, and that Cyndane is Cyndane. <br /> <br /> If you really cared for an open dialog or a regular conversation, please use some type of name in the future. Being <i>Anonymous</i> can have its downsides if your attempting to be serious.<br /><br />Dida~Didanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-87650778761608271592010-05-30T04:11:52.291-04:002010-05-30T04:11:52.291-04:00Linda:
What is your impression about all the tim...Linda:<br /><br /> What is your impression about all the times, in which the three <i>ta'veren</i> boys left [b]blood on objects in the TAR[/b], during the first book in the series: The Eye of the World?<br /><br /> Mat lost an eye in the TAR, Rand cuts his finger on Moridin's WoT version of a chess piece, and something similar occurred to Perrin in the TAR. <br /><br /> Did the Dark One use this Blood to create a linkage between Moridin and Rand, at a date prior to the Shadar Logoth scenes?<br /><br /><br /> Readers keep on hearing that things in a Dream are <i>real</i>, and that some things are stronger in a Dream. <br /><br /> Could the Dark One for example, create something a kin to a Mindtrap from blood gained in the TAR? <br /><br /> I don't have an hard answer myself, but I have wonder about this question for roughly 10-15 years now.Didanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-79684045407229858892010-05-28T23:43:11.350-04:002010-05-28T23:43:11.350-04:00After I posted that I thought, that although the l...After I posted that I thought, that although the link was an accident, it's entirely possible that the Dark One decided then to try to use it.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07857423959641523331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-82521390910819696002010-05-28T06:49:24.002-04:002010-05-28T06:49:24.002-04:00Terry: No, I don't think the link was the idea...Terry: No, I don't think the link was the idea of the Dark One, or Moridin either. It just happened by accident.<br /><br />And yes, the location might well have made a lot of difference.Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14767984732078916662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-74965588602566225342010-05-28T06:46:58.626-04:002010-05-28T06:46:58.626-04:00Julien - thank you for the correction. I have amen...Julien - thank you for the correction. I have amended my post. Rand acting in Winter's Heart like the colours were new threw me. I checked The Path of Daggers, but didn't go far enough back. <br /><br />It looks like my idea that the link to Moridin interferes with the link to the ta'veren has some merit.Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14767984732078916662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-88873599065498375442010-05-28T03:27:42.406-04:002010-05-28T03:27:42.406-04:00Wow... Dida, you're fantastic at deducting the...Wow... Dida, you're fantastic at deducting the craziest things out of nothing. "Daughter of the Night, she <i>walks again</i>" meaning she's on the loose again, after being sealed in the Bore. That should be clear enough. Also, why would Rand link with Cyndane? Does he trust her?? Why would a prophecy comment on three random people in a channeling circle, when there are three closely tied ta'veren living at the same time, one of them being the Dragon Reborn? Especially when these three ta'veren can mentally link already... <br /><br />There's also the off chance that Callandor will be used for something else... Killing all Shadowspawn in the entire world is probably outside of its capabilities, since Rand drew deep on it to kill all present in the Stone.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-3642716963891581302010-05-28T01:06:04.350-04:002010-05-28T01:06:04.350-04:00Good essay write-up, Linda.
Though I question h...Good essay write-up, Linda.<br /><br /><br /> Though I question how one can connect a prophecy related to <i>Callandor</i> with Mat, Perrin, Rand's mental linkage. <br /><br /> I suspect you have not considered that prophecy of <i>'the three who shall become one'</i> as a linked circled of three channelers, being guided by one channeler. <br /><br /> Nynaeve will <i>not</i> be one of three to link in a circle with, Rand al'Thor using Callandor; as she specifically states in the series that she does not want to be a part of a link again using <i>Saidin</i>. Nor is Egwene al'Vere currently trusted by Rand al'Thor as he specifically states in the 'The Gathering Storm' book. Nor has Rand ever fully trusted Cadsuane, let alone enough to desire to link in a circle with her guiding the weaves. <br /><br /> <b>Alivia</b> though is <i>trusted</i> by Rand al'Thor as is stated in Winter's Heart, Knife of Dreams books. <br /><br /> Who might be a <i>third</i> female channeler to join in a linked circle with Rand al'Thor holding and channeling with <i>Callandor</i>?<br /><br /><br /> One clue of many:<br /> <br /> Only Moiraine and Siuan are alive, who knows of the <i>Dark Prophecy</i> found in 'the Great Hunt', chapter 7 'Blood Calls Blood'. Verin spoke of it to each of them, except Verin is dead now. Maybe a letter from Verin will tell someone else of this Dark Prophecy?<br /><br /> Verin knows Rand is going to die, and roughly by doing what... she should know that <b>Lanfear</b> is going to <i>'walk again'</i>. Not to mention the <i>second</i> and <i>third</i> lines of the Dark Prophecy referring directly to Lanfear and the Dragon Reborn:<br /><br /><br /><i>“Daughter of the Night, she walks again.<br />The ancient war, she yet fights.<br />Her new lover she seeks, who shall serve her and die, yet serve still.<br />Who shall stand against her coming?<br />The Shining Walls shall kneel.<br />Blood feeds blood.<br />Blood calls blood.<br />Blood is, and blood was, and blood shall ever be.</i><br /><br />Lanfear, Alivia I suspect are the other two female channeling individuals, who are referred to in association with Callandor and 'The three shall become one' prophecy. <br /><br /><b>Why would they need to link with Rand using Callandor?</b><br /><br />1. To reseal the Bore hole, to remove the Dark One's touch on all worlds.<br />2. To kill every Shadowspawn, everywhere as Rand himself once specifically fears to do, in the Stone. To do so, surely would kill himself he thinks. Yet the Dragon Reborn will not lead this action, according to the Dark Prophecy--The Daughter of the Night will guide the weaves which shall kill Rand, while Alivia is aiding this linked circle.<br /><br /><br />Mat, Perrin, Rand have no known ties to the prophecy of Callandor and 'the three shall become one' sentence.Didanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-73592394967666466272010-05-27T14:10:35.795-04:002010-05-27T14:10:35.795-04:00It is significant, I think, that the balefire cros...It is significant, I think, that the balefire crossing happened in Shadar Logoth. Balefire combined with the evil vs. evil factor plays some part in Rand's link with Moridin, I don't think it was the idea of the Dark One.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07857423959641523331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-45792429652049011572010-05-27T09:05:23.428-04:002010-05-27T09:05:23.428-04:00here's the exact quote :
a Crown of Swords, ch...here's the exact quote :<br />a Crown of Swords, chapter 7 :<br />"Rand muted the voice to an insect's buzz, something he had learned while cramped into that chest.<br />Alone, in the dark. Just him, and the pain, and the thirst, and the voice of a long-dead madman. The voice had<br />been a comfort sometimes, his only companion. His friend. Something flashed in his mind. Not images, just<br />flickers of color and motion. For some reason they made him think of Mat, and Perrin. The flashes had begun<br />inside the chest, them and a thousand more hallucinations. In the chest, where Galina and Brian and Katerine<br />and the rest stuffed him every day after he was beaten."juhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04091869299657057541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-11036447858336561512010-05-27T08:55:24.924-04:002010-05-27T08:55:24.924-04:00really good article. Haven't read it entirely ...really good article. Haven't read it entirely but there's an error. the first of the three ta'veren who aware of the ta'veren technicolor technology is Rand, in Lord of Chaos. I don't remember very well, but it's mentionned in rand's POV in aCoS : when he was in the box on his way to Tar Valon, Rand had what he believes to be hallucinations, swirling colors that for reasons he can't make out, make him think of mat and Perrinjuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04091869299657057541noreply@blogger.com