tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post2616233148643697651..comments2024-01-14T15:52:43.644-05:00Comments on The Thirteenth Depository - A Wheel of Time Blog: The Eye of the World Read-Through #14 - The One Power and the Eye of the World 2Dominichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17610557134981958201noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-28550278802870368792010-05-14T16:29:25.919-04:002010-05-14T16:29:25.919-04:00On the topic of Ishmael's and Lews Therin'...On the topic of Ishmael's and Lews Therin's shimmer-traveling:<br /><br />I think there's another possibility that hasn't been discussed: using a TAR for instant travel.<br /><br />Egwene used her experience of entering TAR corporeally to get to Salidar in order to figure out Skimming and Portal-Traveling. My guess is that personal Traveling is possible for one who can enter TAR. The Traveler need only step into TAR, imagine themselves where they wished to travel to, and then pop out.<br /><br />We know that stepping in and out of TAR gives a "noticeable" effect.<br /><br />We see Forsaken many times using good ol'fashioned portal-Travel, because they are attached to their humanity. Ishmael/Moridin doesn't seem to mind as much, and Lews Therin, wishing to get away quickly without being followed, probably didn't care much about his humanity either when moments away from committing suicide.<br /><br />The benefit of Shimmer- or TAR-Travel would be near-instant teleportation (rather than the time to open a gateway, let alone skim), irregardless of familiarity with the place you're traveling to or from.<br /><br />Given the risk of humanity-loss, it's certainly not worth it for day-to-day Traveling, but in a crisis situation would be a useful option.<br /><br />I also would imagine that Moridin's use of the Dark Power enables this shimmer-Travel, perhaps without loss of humanity. It stands to reason that the Source emanating from the DO would, like Saidin and Saidar, still need to work through practical functions (though probably easier and more violent than the Creator's power). I bet portal stones, another shimmer-Travel method, use this same function, having TAR, the shadow-reality, serve as the intermediary.<br /><br />Conversely, Portal-Travel, Skimming, and The Ways, take you outside the pattern, into a 4th dimension. Because the 4th dimension touches the other three at all points, the trick is to bore a hole in and out of your current dimension, and either touch the two doors together (bending space-time), or travel the distance yourself (creating a worm-hole). I include the Ways in this type of Traveling because they were built as a solid, perpetual, massive object that sits in this 4th dimension. The Ways are basically permanent Skimming Bridges.<br /><br />These are two very different means of transportation. In physics, the first, the TAR-style travel I am suggesting Ishmael and Lews used, is beam-me-up-Scotty teleportation -- your molecules are transmitted (copied) into an intermediary format (clipboard), then rearranged (pasted) into a new destination. TAR is the clipboard. As with teleportation via computer (and those who have copied and pasted large amounts of data can attest to this), a bit of the original is always lost in the process.<br /><br />Our other functional form of Travel doesn't have that danger, since there's no "copy" ever made. It also fits with the saidin/saidar descriptions of how the portals are made, with the male side "boring a hole in the pattern" and with saidar, "bringing the two together." Physics-wise, they are describing the same concept of extra-dimensional travel, its basic concept being that through this extra dimension, every point in the universe touches every other point. If you know your exact points of departure and arrival, you can thus pick those exact spots to travel through. If you don't, you can still cut into the 4th dimension, then eyeball your landing.Misopogonhttp://www.thewrightstache.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-89305093404058524812009-05-16T18:43:00.000-04:002009-05-16T18:43:00.000-04:00Just a random thought on the EoTW Prologue and Tra...Just a random thought on the EoTW Prologue and Traveling. <br /><br />Perhaps they are actually in TAR, which would explain the Traveling inconsistencies from what we learn later, and the ability LTT displays in finding a location with no people. <br /><br />It's possible he stepped out of TAR as he destroyed himself and created DM.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-49787005561763577292009-05-08T18:13:00.000-04:002009-05-08T18:13:00.000-04:00Speculatively, the ability of the Shadow to track ...Speculatively, the ability of the Shadow to track Fain seems clouded somehow by their inability to track Mordeth. <br /><br />Still speculatively, Mordeth is dead, just a soul. In whichever way he may be tied to the Pattern, it is not the way incarnated souls are part of the Pattern. Who knows how this has affected Fain's thread in the Pattern... Theorically, the Wheel pulls at Fain, but Mordeth is able to pull on Fain another way - in effect Fain sidesteps the Pattern, does not respond to the input/feedback mechanism of the Wheel the way other humans do (that would be true in a lesser extent of the Forsaken when they obey the orders of the Dark One, a will completely foreign to the Pattern) - through his will obeyed by Darkfriends, Forsaken and Shadowspawn, the Dark One is certainly able to make the Pattern drift.<br /><br />With Fain there is also the matter of his madness that may compound it further (in a lesser measure it would be the case for Moridin, but Moridin is still way too rational in his insanity). The Wheel is not sentient, but like a mega quantum computer functionning through input/feedback. If it sends stimulus A to pull at Fain, it may not get at all the right answer, and the feedback it gets 'doesn't compute'. It seems the Wheel comes closest to controlling Fain again via his obsession for Rand, while the rest of his actions escape rational patterns more. Couple this with the 'Mordeth isn't tied to the Pattern' or considered 'dead' by the Wheel, and you get Fain as a wilcard, sidestepping the Pattern to an extent.Dominichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17610557134981958201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-79295865039493324762009-05-08T13:16:00.000-04:002009-05-08T13:16:00.000-04:00re: - In EoTW (Meetings at the Eye), Aginor says t...re: - In EoTW (Meetings at the Eye), Aginor says that they found the party by tracking Mat. Moiraine says earlier that Fades and powerful darkfriends would be able to feel Mat and the dagger for a mile. It remains odd that even though the Forsaken could track Mat across the half the world, the Forsaken in WH still mention their difficulty in tracking Fain and their need to hire Slayer.<br /><br />In an Q&A, RJ stated that Fain has sidestepped the Pattern (though he doesn't say how or when this happened), so that may explain the Forsaken's inability to track him using the dagger.WinespringBrother@theoryland.comnoreply@blogger.com