tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post4307540060498857969..comments2024-01-14T15:52:43.644-05:00Comments on The Thirteenth Depository - A Wheel of Time Blog: Wheel Of Time Embroidery Collection #3 - Rand's Coat Sleeve Embroidery 2Dominichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17610557134981958201noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-87815694285982914982010-03-18T07:50:47.886-04:002010-03-18T07:50:47.886-04:00Aha, that's why I never spotted that one - I w...Aha, that's why I never spotted that one - I was thinking of those vests as a garment that you would pull over the head, rather than something that would button up the front. Rand's outfits always look something like the first one on here: http://americanduchess.blogspot.com/2009/11/james-fantastic-18th-century-suit.html in my head, which is why the lack of waistcoat/vest always seems strange. A bit of a step up from farm clothes, definitely - maybe the gold vest was too much overkill!Sorchanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-20527171100939718932010-03-16T12:12:42.448-04:002010-03-16T12:12:42.448-04:00"Maroon is an anachronism"
Sorry to con..."Maroon is an anachronism"<br /><br />Sorry to contradict you, but dyes for that shade (dark brownish crimson) existed long before.<br /><br />The Italians invented it in the 16th century and named the shade maronne (chestnut). Lyon in France made a shade of silk inspired by the Italians and called "coleur de marron", very popular in the first half of the 18th century.<br /><br />The color name was first recorded in English in the second half of the 18th century.<br /><br />In the real world it was a shade popular for drapes, hangings, ornaments and furniture rather than for clothing, but it existed before coal tar dyes.<br /><br />-LizaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-53601278955204144502010-03-13T18:16:13.111-05:002010-03-13T18:16:13.111-05:00RJ called them vests, not waistcoats. Workmen and ...RJ called them vests, not waistcoats. Workmen and artisans of a few nations wear them. Embroidered or decorative vests are popular for all men in Ebou Dar and on Toman Head.<br /><br />I'm not sure that Rand will ever wear a goldworked vest since Mordeth beat him to it! Way back in <i>The Eye of the World,</i>Shadow’s Waiting.<br /><br />It's true that while madder was a pretty effective dye it's tricky to use, which is why red fabrics were always more expensive than almost all other colours. Elayne would be selling a lot of her alum to make a mordant for the Red Ajah's clothing.<br /><br />A minor bug of <i>The Gathering Storm</i> is that maroon appeared as a clothing colour when RJ never used it in earlier books. (Nor did he mention lavender previously, which also appeared as a clothing colour). Maroon is an anachronism; it is an aniline or coal tar dye and the WOT world not only doesn't have the technology for it yet, but there's no mention of coal being recognised, let alone mined.Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14767984732078916662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-17571031046821331562010-03-13T08:12:45.877-05:002010-03-13T08:12:45.877-05:00Something just occured to me - for all his overall...Something just occured to me - for all his overall basis in th. 17th and 18th century, I don't think that RJ ever described the men in the series as wearing waistcoats, did he? It occured to me, because an embroidered waistcoat was such an essential part of flamboyant male dress in that period that it seems the ideal way to up the ante from a sartorial point of view, as Moraine was trying to do with Rand's coats. You can imagine the effect the described coat would have over a solid mass of red and gold patterned embroidery or brocade!<br /><br />Of course, I shouldn't start thinking about things like this too closely, because that way lies wondering how the Red Ajah keeps itself from being the Slightly Streaky Maroon Ajah without the use of analine dyes...Sorchanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-66270048487980324282010-03-13T04:52:24.284-05:002010-03-13T04:52:24.284-05:00Thanks dear Marcia!
It's a really nice idea....Thanks dear Marcia! <br /><br />It's a really nice idea. I'm not sure if my tailoring skills are up to it. A full coat would have a lot of work and materials in it! And quite a bit of research too if I wanted to make it authentic to the period.<br /><br />Right now I'm committed to an exhibition on embroideries inspired by, or about, maps for the end of next year. (And I'm <i>not</i> planning on doing a WOT inspired one, but all my own ideas this time.)<br /><br />I'll continue to look at WOT fashion though.Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14767984732078916662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-2255427436596917942010-03-13T01:34:56.483-05:002010-03-13T01:34:56.483-05:00Linda,
Beautiful work as always, just brings it a...Linda,<br /><br />Beautiful work as always, just brings it all to life! Ever considered making a full coat as Rand would wear? Tons and tons of work no doubt (and a bit of an expense as well), but it would be awesome, and something the WOT community would love, not to mention Team Jordan I'm sure.<br /><br />(MJJ wants to see it my precious ;)Marcianoreply@blogger.com