tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post4596266971398744359..comments2024-01-14T15:52:43.644-05:00Comments on The Thirteenth Depository - A Wheel of Time Blog: Who Is Not A Darkfriend?Dominichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17610557134981958201noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-24451221669917970982016-07-18T10:29:45.656-04:002016-07-18T10:29:45.656-04:00Great work, Linda.
I know these characters are on...Great work, Linda.<br /><br />I know these characters are only mentioned in the Companion, but they might be worth adding - the four remaining Ferrets.<br /><br />Cathal Devore (Brown)<br />Haesal Lusara (Brown)<br />Mikio Vadere (Green)<br />Ester Stepashin (Green)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-51617822678120974292016-07-18T10:28:11.809-04:002016-07-18T10:28:11.809-04:00Great work!
Several Aes Sedai sworn to Rand can b...Great work!<br /><br />Several Aes Sedai sworn to Rand can be added - they fought on the side of the Light, at Thakan'dar- Rafela Cindal, Bera Harkin, Nesune Bihara, Beldeine Nyram, Sarene Nemdahl, Sashalle Anderly.<br /><br />Aviendha mentions Rafela joining the last stand of the Dragonsworn, leaving her with nobody to link with.<br /><br />Bera healed Aviendha, and Aviendha had her lead a circle.<br /><br />Nesune commented on Graendal's strength.<br /><br />Beldeine died alongside Karldin.<br /><br />And Graendal Compelled and captured Sarene and Sashalle.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-382524540350690012016-07-18T10:21:10.198-04:002016-07-18T10:21:10.198-04:00Thanks for this great entry, Linda. Minor error: N...Thanks for this great entry, Linda. Minor error: Nelavaire is listed as part of the Black Tower expedition, but she was actually part of the Tower Embassy and captured at Dumai's Wells.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-68111224694683209002012-12-17T17:42:34.734-05:002012-12-17T17:42:34.734-05:00Thanks, those look to be copy paste errors. I'...Thanks, those look to be copy paste errors. I'll correct them during my update.Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14767984732078916662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-85178769203577244502012-12-16T07:53:17.546-05:002012-12-16T07:53:17.546-05:00Hey there Linda, thanks for this great article. I ...Hey there Linda, thanks for this great article. I think I've spotted two minor errors: Kateri Nepvue was murdered in ToM/5 and can therefore not have battled the Black Ajah in ToM/38. The same goes for Nimri, who is mentioned only once, and that's in ToM/23. Apart from that, no complaints. Great job.Aelys Sedainoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-9861201227800828962012-08-09T05:46:26.185-04:002012-08-09T05:46:26.185-04:00Most comprehensive list. I was surprised by how me...Most comprehensive list. I was surprised by how mercilessly you have made this list - for instance, I chuckled when it came to names like Moiraine or Siuan, since they in my view are personifications of champions for the Light. I'm quite sure you would agree with me, I'm just stating that your judgement borders that of, hmm, Aisha Raveneos, perhaps?<br /><br />Thanks for a great article.Moryssanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-25052212692257710812011-12-19T00:17:19.386-05:002011-12-19T00:17:19.386-05:00I think all Kinswomen can be added to the list, at...I think all Kinswomen can be added to the list, at least according to Elayne's reasoning. Elayne surmised, while trying to find the murderer of Adeleas and Ispan, that the Kin was free of Darkfriends since Ispan hadn't been aware of the Kin's true nature, implying a lack of insider moles. (Of course, this reasoning could be faulty if the ignorance was Ispan's own.)<br /><br />Cabriana Mercandes: I don't think her not recognising Semirhage is proof since Darkfriends are often unaware of the true identity or appearance of the Forsaken who contact them. The proof is simply that Cabriana was tortured for information and killed rather than ordered to take Arangar/ Halima along.<br /><br />Along the same lines, we can safely add to the list the late Adeleas, Vandene, Sareitha, Anaiya and her Warder, Kairen and others killed by Darkfriends or Forsaken either for fear of exposure or for not being fellow Darkfriends and thus of any value.<br /><br />Cadsuane: there's another excellent proof - Cadsuane considers her failure to root out the Black Ajah as one of the greatest failures of her career.<br /><br />Loial: Are *any* Ogier capable of siding with the Shadow at all? Seems unlikely.<br /><br />Eamon Valda: the proof isn't conclusive - the statement is too ambiguous; he could mean the Shadow 'settling everywhere' as a positive thing. I suspect he might be a Darkfriend.<br /><br />For(Tuon)a: there may not be quotes but there's circumstantial evidence that she isn't a Darkfriend:<br />1) she is repelled by darkness in Rand, and her instinct is to reject all his offers/ demands outright. The Shadow holds no attraction for her.<br />2) Semirhage wanted Tuon killed and replaced on the throne by the known Darkfriend Suroth. There would have been no need to kill Tuon had she been a Darkfriend herself. By the same token, Empress Radhanan and the rest of the Imperial family murdered by Semirhage weren't Darkfriends, either. <br /><br />I think it's pretty safe to say that all the Suldam who vomited or had similar reactions on learning that Anath was really Semirhage aren't Darkfriends.<br /><br />Sevanna: for all her faults, I don't think she's a Darkfriend, otherwise Demandred and Mesaana wouldn't have needed to trick her but would have given her direct orders. <br /><br />I also wonder about the Two Rivers folk: there hasn't been any suggestion of native Darkfriends in the series so far (Padan Fain is an outsider). Could the Two Rivers be Darkfriend-free?Vickinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-19742901633425809342011-03-09T05:37:04.055-05:002011-03-09T05:37:04.055-05:00Not yet, no. Due to lack of a conclusive quote. (S...Not yet, no. Due to lack of a conclusive quote. (She isn't a Darkfriend of course).Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14767984732078916662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-79596493652841056872011-03-09T01:30:45.445-05:002011-03-09T01:30:45.445-05:00Great work as always Linda.
It's late, so I m...Great work as always Linda.<br /><br />It's late, so I may have missed her, but For(Tuon)a isn't on the list?TrueCrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13647230788253070410noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-61650085896284498742010-11-19T01:28:25.799-05:002010-11-19T01:28:25.799-05:00Cesare: The Darkfriends they knew of among the reb...Cesare: The Darkfriends they knew of among the rebel expedition fled, but it's still not certain that no secret ones remain.<br /><br />Mind you, I don't think Myrelle is a Darkfriend.Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14767984732078916662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-26727069383739240392010-11-18T06:59:21.954-05:002010-11-18T06:59:21.954-05:00Hi Linda, I think that you can add to the no-darkf...Hi Linda, I think that you can add to the no-darkfriend list also Myrelle: when Nynaeve went to her to take the bond of Lan, Nynaeve has a tought about the black sisters that were in the Verin's list among the rebels and that went to the Black Tower, she affirms that all of them escaped before the first message about the purge arrived to them from EgweneUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16407519054155410661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-7114199924908962972010-11-18T04:06:07.560-05:002010-11-18T04:06:07.560-05:00I fixed Rodel Ituralde. Siuan's entry is fine ...I fixed Rodel Ituralde. Siuan's entry is fine as it stands. Most Aes Sedai have this style entry.<br /><br />Birgitte and Loial could almost be in the disclaimer up the top, but I have pointed out their actions alone make them qualify.<br /><br />There is no proof at all for Berelain.Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14767984732078916662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-20914729751306888392010-11-18T00:30:40.104-05:002010-11-18T00:30:40.104-05:00What about entries on mid-major characters like Bi...What about entries on mid-major characters like Birgitte, Loial and Berelain?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-22147388335391133242010-11-17T23:17:04.282-05:002010-11-17T23:17:04.282-05:00The entry on Rodel Ituralde has a cut-and-paste is...The entry on Rodel Ituralde has a cut-and-paste issue.<br /><br />Also, the "She was able to look at Rand ..." probably applies to Siuan.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-30299652784874743062010-10-19T07:28:51.567-04:002010-10-19T07:28:51.567-04:00Probably they aren't Darkfriends but any of Co...Probably they aren't Darkfriends but any of Corele, Nesune or Daigian might be. The choice of who lived and who died was only whether they had a Warder or not. Darkfriends sometimes are killed because they are in the wrong place at the wrong time. <br /><br />Samitsu also probably isn't - but she was mostly thinking about Cadsuane, power struggles and Healing. She did say the bubble of evil in Cairhien was due to the Shadow but even a Darkfriend might say that.Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14767984732078916662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-7942073502988044002010-10-15T07:03:10.121-04:002010-10-15T07:03:10.121-04:00I suppose you could add Corele and Nesune (and poo...I suppose you could add Corele and Nesune (and poor Daigian of course, but she's dead anyuway). Also the whole of Samitsu's POV in the CoT Prologue seems to show she hasn't chosen wrong allegiance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-91998292762561890012009-12-20T19:16:21.405-05:002009-12-20T19:16:21.405-05:00It doesn't terribly much matter if Mesaana swe...It doesn't terribly much matter if Mesaana swears an Oath she does not want to. All she need do is unswear it that same night - I have little doubt as to her ability to get her hands on the Oath Rod.<br /><br />And honestly, the fate she's suffered from the Dark One himself, for her failure, is much more painful than forswearing Oaths on the Rod. That sort of pain would be meaningless to her, I should think.Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08562446706110203591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-86878098353491799192009-12-20T15:24:21.584-05:002009-12-20T15:24:21.584-05:00That's true and has been pointed out by others...That's true and has been pointed out by others on various fora including myself.<br /><br />However it's a very risky way to do it. Much safer for Mesaana to get a proxy to substitute for her, or for Mesaana to use illusion to pretend to hold the rod or pretend to touch it with spirit, etc.<br /><br />And if the Aes Sedai are re-swearing all three oaths? No Forsaken would want to be bound by them at all. It is most likely that Mesaana substituted another in some way.Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14767984732078916662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-81534393635059797662009-12-20T10:26:30.089-05:002009-12-20T10:26:30.089-05:00One thing I've considered about the Aes Sedai ...One thing I've considered about the Aes Sedai who have resworn the oaths ... haven't some of them simply said: "I am not Black Ajah"?<br /><br />While I'm sure the Forsaken would consider themselves darkfriends, I don't think Mesaana would consider herself Black Ajah. Wouldn't that be a very possible loop-hole?Taura-Tiernohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11398954639993541981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-15320576173949908702009-12-17T17:26:05.294-05:002009-12-17T17:26:05.294-05:00One possible flaw in your logic is that anyone thi...One possible flaw in your logic is that anyone thinking another person is a darkfriend means they are not. I think that a darkfriend could easily wonder if 'those people over there' are darkfriends, simply because he/she doesn't know them. I could very well be wrong, just something I thought of while reading this :)Frost Ryderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02467899437495113351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-54682241819327591012009-12-15T05:15:24.519-05:002009-12-15T05:15:24.519-05:00I found a better quote for Faile today and substit...I found a better quote for Faile today and substituted it.Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14767984732078916662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-17808040875981806152009-12-14T14:11:01.484-05:002009-12-14T14:11:01.484-05:00Not sure if Faile qualifys as 'Not a Darkfrien...Not sure if Faile qualifys as 'Not a Darkfriend' just cause she is trying not to think about the DO. Just cause she serves the Great Lord doesn't mean she isn't terrified.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-52173468145466444232009-12-13T00:02:36.121-05:002009-12-13T00:02:36.121-05:00And when she appears in the next book, I'll ad...And when she appears in the next book, I'll add her to the list, along with others who are in the same situation. Right now, she is not proven. There's enough disputation going over people who have definitely sworn!Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14767984732078916662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-47787015804740277902009-12-12T23:37:13.575-05:002009-12-12T23:37:13.575-05:00Linda is right about when Leane would have had to ...Linda is right about when Leane would have had to re-swear, but regardless, she now has proven herself if she swore when the WT Aes Sedai did.<br /><br />She should be on the list. I hardly think Egwene would have let her get away without swearing after the Sheriam incident.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-62438020576306267102009-12-12T21:52:23.463-05:002009-12-12T21:52:23.463-05:00Personally I would really have to see Brandon'...Personally I would really have to see Brandon's exact quote on the matter before I'm convinced. Having spent some time with him, I'm quite aware of how Aes Sedai-like he can be when he wants to be, so hearing what he said second hand about anything doesn't really work for me. It's no offense to you - I just know he likes to be slippery.Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08562446706110203591noreply@blogger.com