tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post69873812155473062..comments2024-01-14T15:52:43.644-05:00Comments on The Thirteenth Depository - A Wheel of Time Blog: A Perspective on AMOLDominichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17610557134981958201noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-41879026166972110752012-11-13T11:37:04.662-05:002012-11-13T11:37:04.662-05:00Since Alivia is so strong in the one power and can...Since Alivia is so strong in the one power and can learn with just watching a weave, do you think she may be able to "mask" Rand as Logain and vice versa? That Rand knows that he has to deal with the forsaken and Taim very quickly, maybe Logain offers to masquerade as Rand and try to destroy Taim, failing to do so. This would have the world think that Rand has died, allowing the real Rand, masqueraded as Logain, to surprise everyone. Thoughts?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-74833330888239764042012-09-03T22:15:14.163-04:002012-09-03T22:15:14.163-04:00FYI Karede sees Egeanin when he walks into Mat'...FYI Karede sees Egeanin when he walks into Mat's camp and comments that she wears her sword on her back with the strap across her chest like a sailor. And maybe Rand will kneel to the Crystal Throne since he's become super Jesus and decide his own pride isn't as important than having the Seanchan. Moridin could be holding Callandor. The Dark Prophecies may not be true due to the Pattern being distorted around Shayol Ghul or will only be true if Rand fails, if Rand fails the Pattern becomes obsolete so prophecies about the Fourth Age may never come true because it might never happen. Also Lews Therin and Moridin are part of Rand, so that could be the 3 becoming 1.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-40003889062848291842012-06-26T17:21:42.919-04:002012-06-26T17:21:42.919-04:00I disagree on the Aiel. I think they are destined...I disagree on the Aiel. I think they are destined to fall. I think that the future Aviendha's vision is likely to happen. The Aiel's violent ways will lead to their downfall and the rise of the Raven (Seanchan) Empire. The Seanchan will end up capturing all female channelers and killing the males. Since suldam and damane don't breed, the One Power will eventually be bred out of humanity. Technology will eventually take its place and be the domimant lifestyle, hence the train system being built in one of the future visions.<br /><br />The Aiel will lose their way and become a savage and murderously violent race at the hands of the Seanchan who have destroyed their society and kept their word to do so. Somehow the Aiel will survive, but as the aforementioned savages.<br /><br />Sometime in the far off future the Raven empire would eventually fall. With no One Power users anymore, the a'dam go into disuse and forgotten/destroyed and no new ones produced because their is no need from them without damane. Knowledge of them forgotten (as suggested by the cyclical nature of the Pattern).<br /><br />Even farther in the future, per the Pattern, the ability to use the One Power will arise and eventually lead to great and wonderful things being used in conjunction with technology, we will eventually return in a New Age of Legends so to speak and the fascination with more and useful power and hence the Dark One's return. <br /><br />Returning to the Aiel, (the point of my disagreement) the rise of male and female channelers will see the Aiel, and in their peaceful ways will bring the Aiel back from their dark, violent ways and rebuild them, or raise them up, if you will. The Aiel will return to their peaceful ways in remembrance or penance for their violent past. They will serve the Aes Sedai as a debt of gratitude for their salvation and gain great prestige and renown, eventually forgetting the past from which they came. Finally, picking up their violent ways after a future breaking and become the weapons they need to be for the new Dragon Reborn. Cyclical. The specifics will be different, but the general idea would continue.Manetherenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16136085597386765947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-81911329071038588522012-03-31T08:31:14.899-04:002012-03-31T08:31:14.899-04:00I don't think a godlike figure like the Dark O...I don't think a godlike figure like the Dark One can be defeated by a bunch of channellers, no matter how powerful - if they do, it will be a Pyrrhic victory like LTT's. I also don't believe he can be destroyed: the DO is a constant like the Creator, according to Verin in TDR. I suspect that Min will find a \]<br />crucial clue of how to seal away DO in Herid Fel's works; she seemed pretty close to finding the solution there at one point but it eluded her. The solution may involve other (parallel) worlds, as suggested by Verin's comment to Egwene in TDR that if the DO is imprisoned in just one world he's imprisoned in all, and if he's free in one he's free in all.<br />My theory RE Isam/Slayer is that he'll be confronted and killed by either Perrin or Lan.<br />RE Lan, my understanding was always that Min's viewing of seven broken towers and a baby with a sword referred to Lan's past history and role as the king of the dead Malkier (seven broken towers) who was given a sword in his cradle before being saved from Malkier's destruction. As for Min's viewing of Nynaeve grieving over a corpse, things look bleak for Lan (Min had that viewing after she mentally wished Nynaeve happiness with Lan), but I take heart from the fact that Min didn't understand what she'd seen. Perhaps Nynaeve will see Isam's corpse and mistake him for Lan before learning the truth?Vickinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-20745020248159964352011-08-07T10:58:37.984-04:002011-08-07T10:58:37.984-04:00It's interesting how you and I come up with su...It's interesting how you and I come up with such totally different interpretations of the same prophecies....but the one prophecy I thought was counterintuitive - that is, the interpretation of Rand as the Broken Wolf - you seem to take for granted. So I'm glad we agree on that much at least. :D I think that 'consumed by the Midnight Towers' refers to the merge with Moridin, though. The fall is less clear; it could be as simple as Rand being stupid enough to go after Lanfear in the dream - Brandon sort of left it hanging. And that, of course, is why he has to die. I don't think Moiraine will show up to declare for Rand at all - I think she will show up to kill him. (I still think Gawyn will be involved - at Egwene's orders, of course - and I think he will almost ruin it, because Rand must be balefired to save his soul from the Shadow.) And his destruction shall bring fear and sorrow to the hearts of men - quite different from the consumption.<br /><br />I definitely think that Min is misinterpreting some prophecies as referring to <i>Callandor</i> when they in fact refer to Justice, but I don't think that her viewing you quoted is one of them, because Min insists that the words come with the viewing, much like a Foretelling. She can still misinterpret them, but she saw it as being definitely <i>Callandor</i>, and I don't think she is capable of misinterpreting in that fashion. Much like a Dreamer, when she knows, she knows. The distinction was significant when she told Rand that Alivia would help him die, and later she decided that meant Alivia would kill him. But the words come with the viewing, so Rand argued the point. She uses uncertain wording when she's unsure - like the fact that the fist seems to be made of onyx. I am guessing that this refers to Rand holding <i>Callandor</i> after Moridin has consumed him.<br /><br />I think the sword on Tuon's back in Egwene's dream is just plain old Justice, though Mat is certainly an important part of the symbolism there. The sword is the most solid part of the dream because it is iconic in its representation of Hawkwing's Empire, much more so than the Empress herself (who was, at the time, Tuon's mother, unless she'd already been killed). But I suppose your interpretation requires that it be something other than Justice, since you think that the dream will take place before Tuon acquires Justice. I think that, if the woman who confronts Rand with Egwene is Tuon, then the confrontation won't happen until after Rand's resurrection. If it happens before, then the Seanchan woman in that dream is more likely to be someone other than Tuon.<br /><br />I think Aviendha's visions of the future mislead us toward assuming that an agreement will be reached before the Battle of Caemlyn. The way things are going, that seems unlikely. One important difference might well be Mat; his survival was by no means guaranteed when Aviendha went to Rhuidean. I have a feeling he is going to help distract the folks at Merrilor toward Caemlyn, and it seems impossible that they could reach a truce with Tuon before then. Or at least, it seems anticlimactic. So I think Merrilor and the Peace of the Dragon are gigantic red herrings to distract from the fact that Rand is going to die very early in AMOL - a cliffhanger too risky to end TOM with. (As you know, Brandon has indicated that the end of TOM was shifted to the beginning of AMOL, and that this bit focused on the Black Tower).<br /><br />The prophecies say that he shall bind the north to the east, but they do not say that he will bind the south to the west (Tuon did that), and the Aelfinn did not say that Rand must be the one to bind the two as one. I believe that Rand will probably be dead for at least half the book, and that much of the story will revolve on his friends figuring out how the hell to fight the Last Battle without him. Of course, Rand's three women won't accept that, and neither will Nynaeve, but I doubt their plan will be widely known. Even Mat might be ignorant of it.Terezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12417142245785029171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-28537669792341795352011-07-25T18:38:35.813-04:002011-07-25T18:38:35.813-04:00WOW. Extremely well thought out. Very Impressed,...WOW. Extremely well thought out. Very Impressed, and definitely an enjoyable read. The only comment I would like to make is this; the prophecies thru out the series, have all been relatively simple, and while not always literal, they are usually pretty easy to place into the story once they have happened. With that said, I think some of these theories go WAY too far in depth into the final chapter of this great story. <br /><br />I am expecting something much simpler in AMoL. And i expect the great meeting to take place about half way thru the novel. Rand still has quite a few ends to tie up prior to heading to shayol ghul. And I think they will head straight from the meeting to the the last battle.<br /><br />I believe that the seals need to be broken, but I think the only reason that Rand told Egwene is because he knew the news would bring all the world together. It is the only way to bypass all the issues going on. Everyone feels they must stand together to prevent the release of the Dark One. With the world gathered to support or contend the dragons ideas, it will be a short step to the last batte from there. Remember, the Dragon did what he wanted in the age of legends, without regards to the Aes Sedai of the day. Of course he is going to do so again. But this time he has enough female Aes Sedai tied to him that he doesnt need the white tower.Swordcrownedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09328323364861480971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-77168863139342721532011-04-04T02:44:25.408-04:002011-04-04T02:44:25.408-04:00I enjoyed reading this, not sure if I agree with e...I enjoyed reading this, not sure if I agree with everything you wrote, but you did do a nice job of supporting your theories with material from the books. <br />The last prophecy you quoted though, I definitley think it is referring only to Rand. Prince of the Morning and Lord of the Dawn sound like they are too similar of titles to give to two people who while they are linked together are definitley seperate entities; and Rand literally has Hawkwing's sword, named Justice. Also the first sentence in the prophecy is referring to Rand, the last sentence is referring to the Dragon- the whole thing is therefore centered on Rand, not the Two Rivers boys as a whole. At least that is my take on it.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09497365474814661903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-70757145980212653082011-02-28T01:26:08.968-05:002011-02-28T01:26:08.968-05:00I do agree with the three titles referring to the ...I do agree with the three titles referring to the three ta'veren. In AoL Lews Therin seemed to be all three and ultimately failed, and if ta'veren correct errors in the pattern, it would make since that three would be created to fulfill the three roles that would be needed for victory.comradeplatypushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05741803028936638234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-3515035713444434032011-02-26T00:07:10.669-05:002011-02-26T00:07:10.669-05:00Good theory. But I had a different take on the gli...Good theory. But I had a different take on the glittering sphere. <br /><br />I don't think they represent Aes Sedai, though that is certainly plausible, but the 11 remaining clans of the Aiel (a chief and Wise One from each clan + the blood of the Dragon = 23).TrueCrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13647230788253070410noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-26121657964278235482011-02-25T13:31:02.894-05:002011-02-25T13:31:02.894-05:00Hmm, just finished re-reading the great hunt and R...Hmm, just finished re-reading the great hunt and Rand mentions at one point that Ingtar wears his sword on his back, and Lan too, sometimes. But you might be right. "The edge of the crevice seemed as sharp as a knife under her fingers", btw, could be a subtle reference to climbing the heights, climbing a path of daggers, which she certainly is, here. The only thing I'm wondering about is this -- a "familiar" drawling voice. Familiar bc she recognizes the accent? Or familiar bc she recognizes the accent AND the voice? Last I heard, I thought Egeanin was on her way to the White Tower. But your theory is well-thought-out :)Leylanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-15390321187345458272011-02-23T10:56:15.699-05:002011-02-23T10:56:15.699-05:00This was so fun!This was so fun!JKeisfeldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04658136140879807382noreply@blogger.com