tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post8157503507873289025..comments2024-01-14T15:52:43.644-05:00Comments on The Thirteenth Depository - A Wheel of Time Blog: Towers of Midnight Read-Through #22: Chapter 15 - Use A PebbleDominichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17610557134981958201noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-73231935869745093152012-06-13T06:12:35.660-04:002012-06-13T06:12:35.660-04:00Tyranamiros: Danelle was a known Aes Sedai, just n...Tyranamiros: Danelle was a known Aes Sedai, just not well known. The Forsaken tend to kill those they impersonate, so she was probably no longer 'on hand' for Mesaana to use.Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14767984732078916662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-1223500856586888432012-06-12T18:14:40.694-04:002012-06-12T18:14:40.694-04:00If Danelle was real, and not merely a persona crea...If Danelle was real, and not merely a persona created by Messaana, it would make the most sense that Messaana has the real Danelle somewhere and simply sent her in her place. Like how Semirhage and Aran'gar used Cabriana, it could be that Messaana has her compelled, and she's not really a darkfriend, so when she retook the oath, whe was truly telling the truth.TyranAmirosnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-12351003822069501482012-06-09T01:42:40.620-04:002012-06-09T01:42:40.620-04:00it can happen, but remember the spider had to '...it can happen, but remember the spider had to 'short circuit' the pattern to do this. there is no telling what kind of long term effects this will have on the pattern. also, there is no guarantee rand will be a taverren if brought back this way. his tavereen warping of the pattern maybe his only buffer to winning the last battle.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-2575176981307832852012-06-07T21:35:24.105-04:002012-06-07T21:35:24.105-04:00This theory has been raised before, but not debunk...This theory has been raised before, but not debunked. It could happen that way, and Birgitte's story would have paved the way for the possibility.Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14767984732078916662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-14540156176283314332012-06-07T08:45:14.442-04:002012-06-07T08:45:14.442-04:00An odd idea struck me - apologies if it has been r...An odd idea struck me - apologies if it has been raised and debunked already. If Rand is killed and sent to TAR and subsequently pulled out from there as Birgiite was, could this have the effect of restoring him to his factory setting, so to speak, i.e. without the taint (or the light)?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-10972713805020959082012-06-05T15:47:47.912-04:002012-06-05T15:47:47.912-04:00I agree that the light coating the barbs in Rand&#...I agree that the light coating the barbs in Rand's mind is keeping him balanced and currently has the upper hand. But healing them before the last battle would be a mistake unless the darkness could be pulled leaving the light there. I think the taint is maintaining the link to his past life, but the light is forcing it to stay stable/balanced with a leaning to the positive. I also believe that the light Nynaeve is seeing is the strength of the One Power, whole and complete(Saidin and Saidar combined showing how it can repel the power of the Shadow). To pull the network and heal his brain would kill the connection to Lews Therin and rob him of knowledge he direly needs, to avoid repeat mistakes or or bad choices. Should he "live" afterwards, repair it and let him try to live the rest of his life as Rand.Manetherenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16136085597386765947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-54846957861559879002012-06-05T06:54:57.887-04:002012-06-05T06:54:57.887-04:00I think you have to be calm at first, until you ar...I think you have to be calm at first, until you are confident or capable. After that, you can be more 'free' with your emotions and still weave fine. <br /><br />The Forsaken's comments when Rand was learning to channel illustrate this. Lanfear asked Rand about how he shot arrows so accurately, and was pleased when he described the Oneness to her, saying that he should wrap himself in it at all times and then he would find uses for it that he never suspected. (The main use being that he would channel more easily.) Yet Asmodean said that with practice amd experience Rand could more beyond having to be in the void when he channelled.<br /><br />With their emphasis on decorum, composure and on being apart from the world, most Aes Sedai never do go beyond requiring calm to channel. After long years like this, it is no wonder they can't channel while feeling strong emotion.Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14767984732078916662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-42954878918516404852012-06-05T01:07:42.710-04:002012-06-05T01:07:42.710-04:00the only time channeling is truly imposable is wh...the only time channeling is truly imposable is when blocked, or if hit on the head. even if angry you need some degree of concentration and focus.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-2596626760865881272012-06-04T14:28:33.702-04:002012-06-04T14:28:33.702-04:00Off the cuff, I'd agree with you, Dolphineus. ...Off the cuff, I'd agree with you, Dolphineus. Apart from Nynaeve, another proof would be Egwene during her Seanchan captivity. As damane, Egwene was made to channel under extreme duress, but did well enough that she was marked out for return to Seanchan. Clearly, you can channel even if you're furious/ in agony / super sad. Of course, the argument can be made that the sul'dam were calm while the damane were channeling. Who knows. <br /><br />It would be interesting to see the teaching techniques used by the Wise Ones and Windfinders.Fragrant Elephanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02622569777207864974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4833204375789249557.post-48970955708747062372012-06-04T13:26:48.638-04:002012-06-04T13:26:48.638-04:00You must be calm to channel. Its a lie. We have ...You must be calm to channel. Its a lie. We have seen proof after proof throughout the series. Here is my thinking.<br /><br />As the super girls learn to channel saidar, we also learn. We learn you have to be in complete control of yourself. You have to maintain calm. Why? Is it a requirement to channel saidar? No, it's not. Nynaeve is proof. She channels while angry. It should be impossible, right? But it is possible. She does it all the time. <br /><br />Since it clearly IS possible to channel while angry, why are all the Aes Sedai taught that way? Probably because it is the easiest way to *teach* how to channel. Plus, would you really want volatile teen age emotions running loose who can channel? Think of the carnage, lol!<br /><br />In addition, the Forsaken always refer to the Aes Sedai as children. They mock them for not knowing what they are doing. It is not a knowledge of weaves they are referring to. It is because the Forsaken see Aes Sedai running around channeling like little children do. To the Forsaken, the modern day Aes Sedai are running around doing little more than novice exercises. The Forsaken are repeatedly surprised by how much the modern day channelers are able to accomplish when they can barely channel at all. Little more than children!<br /><br />We have seen little snippets of what happened during the Breaking, mostly thru Rand's visit to Rhuidean. We saw bands of people traveling together. A more or less mobile society. The earth still heaved and mountain ranges rose up and seas rushed in. We know it persisted for many decades, perhaps even centuries. If not the Breaking itself, the bands of nomadic peoples. Maybe all they had time to teach the children was enough to make sure they could safely embrace the source, and wouldn't lash out with it, adding to the breaking. <br /><br />In the scene with the last of the Jenn, when the first Aiel clan chiefs are chosen, we see a *very old* Aes Sedai. One who was alive and remembers the Age of Legends. They are always commenting .. how much has been lost?<br /><br />Maybe the teaching of channeling was lost. There were no more male teachers, so fine, it's a given that it was lost. But what if the women lost their knowledge of channeling too? The only knowledge that survived the Breaking was novice training. How not to kill yourself as you learn to touch the source. Keep calm. Don't do this. You can't do that. Don't even try this. <br /><br />But so much of it clearly *is* possible. How many times have the Super Girls done things they shouldn't be able to? Why? The biggest difference in them (Avienda too) is they haven't been taught what is *impossible*. <br /><br />Rand channels while angry. A lot. But he *learned* to channel using the Flame & the Void. A meditation technique. One where he fed all emotion in to the flame, until there was no emotion left, he floated in the void. But once he learned, and was able to reliably sieze the source, he was full of emotion. Like all the bloody time!<br /><br /><i>"To be Aes Sedai is to be calm," Nynaeve replied.<br />"To be Aes Sedai is to be what you decide it is," Rand said,</i><br /><br />This exchange is what made me just think of it. Nynaeve herself does a great job of defending emotions after kicking some serious ass on her test. <br />The test to raise a woman to full Aes Sedai may have one been simply the *novice graduation test* device. After all, how many times throughout the books has someone wondered if the ter'angreal correctly, or if it was designed for something completely different.<br /><br />Thoughts?Dolphineushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06638714146994874378noreply@blogger.com